Yeah, that's probably true.
I apologize to the mechanics coders at Frontier. I wish you were allowed create better stuff.
Repeat the same Guardian unlock 18 times? Really?
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Yeah, that's probably true.
I apologize to the mechanics coders at Frontier. I wish you were allowed create better stuff.
This is how this got designed.
"We're taking flak for using CG's to unlock the anti Thargoid weapons..."
"Let's make a kind of... Personal narrative, where you unlock stuff yourself then"
"nice, that'll work"
"Hey this should take about the same time as a CG to unlock right? Just for each player?"
"Makes sense"
"Oh .. we only have this one puzzle? Well... "
"We're taking flak for using CG's to unlock the anti Thargoid weapons..."
"Let's make a kind of... Personal narrative, where you unlock stuff yourself then"
"nice, that'll work"
"Hey this should take about the same time as a CG to unlock right? Just for each player?"
"Makes sense"
"Oh .. we only have this one puzzle? Well... "
Good point.
I think I already find it so hard to justify the time I sink to this game. To accept the lead designer is either a nasty peace of work, or totally incompetent, really has me questioning my sense of self respect and priorities in life.
I know I'm an adult who spends a lot of time playing a computer game, but no game has ever left me feeling like such a mug for doing it.
For a second I wanted believe that they would do something about it if they could, but you are totally right.
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Sorry mate, even Orrere suffered from the Almighty Nerf Baton....from what Commander ctgray85 wrote:
Went there last night. The Anaconda has been replaced with a crashed Federal Navy viper. No cargo to be had.
Also nearby is a defence turret protected surface mining operation. Only thing there was one shield emitter.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/411284-Orrere-2B-Crashed-Anaconda?p=6607941#post6607941
The alacrity of the Almighty Nerf Baton is in sharp contrast to the glacial pace in creating meaningful non grindy game mechanics. Once again we are deprived of choice and forced into yet another boring Frontier rat maze i.e. running desperately around in circles on pretty planet surfaces looking for rocks to shoot at. They giveth us with QOL exploits and then they taketh away.
Sigh... I need to stop thinking about this, can't let a mere computer game cloud my life for an instant.
o7
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Tying Pilot rank (and Naval Rank?) to weapons unlocks (and ships) is a simple and tangible system of progression + reward. Very good (and seemingly obvious?) idea.
Thanks! If they wanted to make it a bit more “personal narrative”:
- Reaching Elite Rank (combat) unlocks new faction and an invite to “join the Resistance”
- Faction sells Anti Thargoid weapons and offers Anti Thargoid Operations (ATO) missions
- Missions could vary from generic “kill this many Thargs in this area” and “evacuate this many people from a Thargoid attack zone” to more specific “scripted” incursions on Thargoid occupied planets, retrieving Guardian stuff to help the cause, etc.
- ATO missions and Thargoids kills in general reward rep with the faction
- Rep increases the number (and variety) of ATO missions available
There ya go - a whole little bit of end game content, with a story, that engages the players with what is happening in the universe and lets be frank, nothing “new” really needing to be coded. How hard could that be?!
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My problem with that is that it enforces a HUUUUUUGE grind towards combat elite, especially for new players to 'unlock end game content'. This game has always been about being able to pretty much do everything you want, whenever you want. After a few hours you are in a cobra, which more or less allows you to participate in almost everything. Locking most of the story behind the elite combat status seems not cool to me.
In the old days missions were ranked lock, and elite combateers were given elite missions noone else could do. It worked great, because non-elite players could do similar, but easier and less rewarding, missions. It was removed on request by our fine community. I suggest we bring it back. Have lower ranked people get 'thargoid kill missions' that ask you to find and destroy some of those flying saucers, whereas an elite commander might be tasked with finding and killing a medusa (and be GENEROUSLY rewarded for it). That way we'd all be part of the action, we'd all get appropriate missions, and being elite actually counts for something.
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Sorry mate, even Orrere suffered from the Almighty Nerf Baton....from what Commander ctgray85 wrote:
Went there last night. The Anaconda has been replaced with a crashed Federal Navy viper. No cargo to be had.
Also nearby is a defence turret protected surface mining operation. Only thing there was one shield emitter.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/411284-Orrere-2B-Crashed-Anaconda?p=6607941#post6607941
The alacrity of the Almighty Nerf Baton is in sharp contrast to the glacial progress in creating meaningful non grindy game mechanics. Once again we are deprived of choice and forced into yet another boring Frontier rat maze i.e. running desperately around in circles on pretty planet surfaces looking for rocks to shoot at. They giveth us with QOL exploits and then they taketh it away.
Sigh... I need to stop thinking about this, can't let a mere computer game cloud my life for an instant.
o7
Ugh...it keeps getting better I see. I feel as if we are drowning and can't scream for help because we are under water. Thanks for pointing that out cmdr.
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Yup - sounds reasonable: maybe get access to lower grade anti-Tharg weapons and missions at lower combat ranks and save the “big stuff” for Elite. There has to be some point to getting Elite, right?!
Could also, potentially, unlock the “evacuate” missions by ranking Explorer and some “supply the war effort” missions by Trade ranking: allowing folks who don’t do combat to join in?
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I completed the mechanic once, the other 17 times can go rot in a crater somewhere. "We don't want to waste your time." That statement is by far the most pigheaded given the clearly intentional design decisions being made. Find people who understand design, - what makes a game fun, NOT what makes a game another job to the point where it's anything BUT fun.
Took a hundred pages in the beige gate discussion before a dev spoke up, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Heh, and THAT was after half a year and a couple dozen previous threads!!!
or design team was replaced by accountants and bookkeepers
The scary part about that...they hadn't noticed the beigefication of everything. They had to be told.
Since everyone is banging the Immersion Drum all the time, read above and keep banging.
Totally agree with the statement. It doesn't make sense to unlock it per individual. Make it a global goal like a long term CG.
"To unlock the gauss cannon, we need 10k weapon blueprints" - We can have 10000 people bring us one each, or 3334 people bring us 3 each. And everyone can have the gun. That's usually how it works.
I'm doing the whole grind too because I want the modules. Last night I ground out 9 module fragments. that's a good 3 hours of powering up pylons, killing drones, dropping artifacts and scanning the same node again. Log off - log in - all drones are gone - repeat. Immersive?
But then, there wouldn't be more grind?
With out the grind, how do they keep the active player number artificially high for their board meetings?
So far, all they know how to do is to add more grind. Not reduce it like they state.
Yup, more grind. What can we expect later this year? More grind!
With out the grind, how do they keep the active player number artificially high for their board meetings?
So far, all they know how to do is to add more grind. Not reduce it like they state.
Yup, more grind. What can we expect later this year? More grind!
Wouldn't be the first game ruined by bean counters. Planetside 2, I'm looking at you.