Anyone defending this game mechanic should probably recuse themselves of the thread as they are not qualified to comment. To say a part of a game "isn't that bad" means it's still bad and it's not fun. A game is meant to be fun and yet we have 99% agreement that this particular mechanic is bad and yet there's still people coming on here telling everyone they're wrong.
Repeat the same Guardian unlock 18 times? Really?
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Anyone defending this game mechanic should probably recuse themselves of the thread as they are not qualified to comment. To say a part of a game "isn't that bad" means it's still bad and it's not fun. A game is meant to be fun and yet we have 99% agreement that this particular mechanic is bad and yet there's still people coming on here telling everyone they're wrong.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
Cmon Sleut, you KNOW this isn't true - devils advocate doesn't fly here.
You honestly think that everyone playing CQC - with it's infamously ridiculous waiting times are accessing it from inside ED?
If I was to go by this view then the the whole game needs changed.
Travelling from system A to system B is not fun.
Waiting for mission USS to spawn is not fun.
Gathering materials in space not fun.
Some missions are not fun.
Exploration is not fun except when you find a nice scenic view.
Grinding ranks is not fun.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
Can't rep you again - sorry - have this instead.
Not a bad idea.
Which is why we have Beyond.
Beyond is not changing any of these things except for exploration mechanics as far as I know.
This game have little to no polish on anything which does not concern visuals.
About every single mechanic is or feels like a placeholder. Eternal alpha version.
May be there are a couple of exeptions. But cannot really point my finger on anything finished.
So all of these gameplay aspects are come down to assembling a geometrical puzzle for children sort of tasks. And repeating it over and over.
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Rafe. I think you need some help. We are on the same side and all your are doing is attacking me for no reason what so ever.
What the hell is wrong with you.
No, I dont. I think CQC is not very popular, which is why I cant play it often, or at all, due to failed matchmaking. Which is why I said plenty of times that we need AI bots to fill matches, or even allow 'solo CQC'. But yeah, I am pretty sure the majority of people who play or try to play CQC do so from the main launcher. I know that is what I do, and I cant imagine anyone booting into stand-alone Arena knowing the difficulty of getting a game. Besides, my point is that Jex =TE= has a tendency to report statistics that are simply false. Either because he doesnt understand statistics, where they are from and what they mean, or he because he simply doesnt care. In both cases it needs to be pointed out.
it kinda does..
For crying out loud man. Your comprehension skills are at a minus setting at the moment. Why are you harping on about this.
Basicaly, every game designers choices in this game is not fun. And apparently becomes worse at every new update...
I'd be perfectly fine if they only worked on exploration stuff from now on tbh. However, Braben himself said they had the house and needed to add the furniture. So far they've been adding more house and yes, pretty much the whole game needs working on. There isn't really much there is there? A few things that are fun but a lot of stuff that is way too underdeveloped, un-fun and un-challenging.
We want FDev to turn that around and add in some fun and challenge - mystery would be great too. We'd also like them to stop giving us things nobody is playing because they've been developed in a boring, grindy way. MC could have been really good - we could have had AI crewmembers (we did in FE2 btw, wasn't hard then) and we could have ranked them up, etc but instead, we got a turrret.
Now you tell me, who on earth is going to sit in someone elses turret for 6 hours when they could just fly their own spaceship - this is the problem with ED.
And now we have the Guardians - brilliantly executed art design and sound and then 22 times repeated? That's like going to the Tate and looking at a really beautiful painting and then harry potter is on the other side of it and sticks his head through and headbutts you in the face!
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Rafe Zetter
Banned
I have checked and edited my answers accordingly - you are correct - I had mistakenly attributed some posts you made with the post that you had quoted.
Apologies offered for my attributing those statements to you, which contravened others you yourself then made later.
I stand by the rest. - telling people not to do it isn't an aswer worth anything, as that's been proven to be an empty gesture. Believing that the action of "not doing engineering" was the reason it got changed is foolish and naive considerign the sheer numbers of posts complaining about the grind, the rng, the timesink, the mat drops, the repetitiveness, and every other fact of the engineering system as it was, and that's before you even get to the "god rolled" ships being able to kill players in open in UNDER 10 SECONDS.
There must be literally thousands and thousands of complaints about the previous iteration of engineers and everything that was attached to engineered ships.
Saying that FDev would make changes if people did more CqC, PP etc and then complained about it is a totally backwards argument - that must be obvious surely?
Do you think that argument works in any other form of businees in the world?
"this car sucks"
- Ok, I hear you. Tell you what - if you buy another one, we'll make the next one after that better, but only if you buy it.
"err no, how about you change it, and I'll make up my own mind whether to give you any more of my time and money, once I've seen it".
The phrase "one born every minute" comes to mind.
Guardian structures are lovely.
Getting the blueprint and stuffz is dull, repetitive and mindless.
FDev made it that way. by choice.
hows that?
This Guardian Tech collection should have been done better.
Go to a site, collect something. Give us a decent amount.
Go to another site, collect something. Give us a decent amount.
And so on.
What we currently have is obscene. Its a slap in the face from the devs this is.
The first week the Goids where out and able to fight I had alot fun fighting them. Then they got buffed, no fun any more.
I've been waiting for something to allow me to partake in content I paid for and this seemed to be it, but, slap in the face obscene grind.
This type of gameplay is starting to look like the devs dont give a toss anymore.
Go to a site, collect something. Give us a decent amount.
Go to another site, collect something. Give us a decent amount.
And so on.
What we currently have is obscene. Its a slap in the face from the devs this is.
The first week the Goids where out and able to fight I had alot fun fighting them. Then they got buffed, no fun any more.
I've been waiting for something to allow me to partake in content I paid for and this seemed to be it, but, slap in the face obscene grind.
This type of gameplay is starting to look like the devs dont give a toss anymore.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
I'm sorry you're not getting it. Is that my fault? Partly, but ONLY partly.
I'm harping on because you keep saying that "people don't need the weapons" in the meaning of "you don't need the weapons, you're inflicting the grind on yourself, so stop complaining" - am I wrong in that assessment?
- and I'm countering that with:
It doesn't bloody matter whether YOU think they need the weapons or not, they would like them, it adds a dimension and flavor to their experience - do they need them? No.
But like shoes, and BECAUSE it adds to their experience; they want them, but they don't want to have to go through mindlessly repetitive grind (that you yourself acknowledge) to get them.
They want to have the Guardian weapons JUST BECAUSE - and no other reason is required - what you personally think about that is wholly irrelevant, but one you keep projecting in the mistaken beleif it matters.
You're not happy either, I get that, but how you personally intend to deal with that is also irrelevant to everyone else but you.
For others posting in this thread "Not having them" is not an option they are willing to accept.
Just like shoes. They like pretties, they like shinies - they just don't want to feel like the organ grinders monkey to get them.
If you were a gay man or a woman I wouldn't even have to explain this - I keep forgetting most men are troglodytes - I should maybe use tools or cars or beer in my analogies instead.