Request for help info on getting a new PC (UK)

A friend of mine has purchased several P.Cs from Novatech down in Portsmouth.

He has had a few problems, some of which may have been self inflicted, but the aftercare he has received has reportedly been exemplary. I'm certainly planning to buy my next PC from them.

As always, this is one person's hearsay, buyer beware etc etc.

Good luck and have fun, I'm not far behind you on the new PC front!
 
(hopefully posting this in right place!)

I've been scrimping and saving every spare bit of cash since my last PC was bought in 2012, It's starting to show it's age so I'm thinking of getting a new PC and have £1500 to spare. What's the info on best value mid range stuff in that price bracket? Please bear in mind I want to get a pre built system. I don't want VR quite yet but within 6 months will prolly dive in so VR ready system is preferred.

I'd like a mobo as future proof as possible, not all that bothered with overclocking just want a stock fast processor.
Likewise not bothered with Ray tracing yet, would rather a (future) VR capable rig.
SSD for boot drive and large HDD for game storage? I read somewhere (and subsequently forgot where) there's a new faster SSD interface out?
Not sure if 16gb memory is future proof should I go for 32gb?
What's the standard monitor/VR connection now? (currently using DVI still), has it all gone HDMI? do GPUS still come with dual output? Because I have a separate monitor in front of a steering rig for driving sims and a desktop monitor for everything else I do, so I need dual outputs (and VR will need that of course!)

Also apart from overclockers.co.uk and Alienware I'm not sure where else to look for pre built PCs, who's a recommended builder?

I'm so far out of the loop of PC tech since I last looked into it (as I say 2012!) I'm a bit clueless so any advice will be appreciated.
You have a good budget and can easily get highish end machine with that.

Go to a website that has a configurator do some research and go with what you can afford.
 
Thinking about this lot, 2 questions 650w PSU ok and is the CPU cooler ok? regarding mobo, I need the PC to be future proof and someone on another site recommeded the x570 for PCIe4.0 and better VRM cooling (as well as support for faster CPUs if I need to upgrade). GPU can be easily upgraded in the future. This is sucking every last penny though!!

  • Corsair Obsidian 750D
  • 1xASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
  • 1xAMD Ryzen 7 3700X, Zen 2, 8-core with SMT, 3.6GHz, 4.4GHz Turbo
  • 1xbe quiet! Dark Rock 4 - Quiet Performance Air Cooler
  • 1x32GB (2x16GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance RGB PRO - 3200MHz
  • 1x8GB EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER SC ULTRA, 2176 Cores, 1680MHz Boost, 14000MHz GDDR6 - GeForce RTX VR Ready
  • 1xCorsair RM650x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Single GPU
  • 1x1TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 600K IOPS
  • 1x4TB Seagate ST4000DM004 BarraCuda, 5400rpm, 256GB Cache
 
I have that case its nice. Can you stretch to a water cooled CPU cooler? It's not necessary generally but I've found them excellent and mega quiet. Corsair do a range of them I have the H100 model.
 
Thinking about this lot, 2 questions 650w PSU ok and is the CPU cooler ok? regarding mobo, I need the PC to be future proof and someone on another site recommeded the x570 for PCIe4.0 and better VRM cooling (as well as support for faster CPUs if I need to upgrade). GPU can be easily upgraded in the future. This is sucking every last penny though!!

  • Corsair Obsidian 750D
  • 1xASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
  • 1xAMD Ryzen 7 3700X, Zen 2, 8-core with SMT, 3.6GHz, 4.4GHz Turbo
  • 1xbe quiet! Dark Rock 4 - Quiet Performance Air Cooler
  • 1x32GB (2x16GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance RGB PRO - 3200MHz
  • 1x8GB EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER SC ULTRA, 2176 Cores, 1680MHz Boost, 14000MHz GDDR6 - GeForce RTX VR Ready
  • 1xCorsair RM650x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Single GPU
  • 1x1TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 600K IOPS
  • 1x4TB Seagate ST4000DM004 BarraCuda, 5400rpm, 256GB Cache
That's a great setup.
The R7 3700X will last you years, plus if you're going to go with AMD, you have the added benefit of the AM4 socket - meaning that unlike with Intel, you won't have to buy a new motherboard when you decide to upgrade the CPU to the next generation. :)
BeQuiet coolers are great, although if you want to save a couple of bucks, the coolers included with the Ryzen CPU are more than okay as well.
The fact that you went with 32GB RAM and the M.2 SSD means you won't have to change anything for a long time.

When comes to the GPU - not saying RTX2060S is bad, but look around for some RX5700 and RX5700XT that you may be able to find for similar price. They are a tiny bit more powerful. The only benefit of nVidia cards - the RTX - isn't really usable at this performance level anyway.
You could save a couple bucks on Stix F by going for Strix E, too. Those two MBs are quite similar and the added functionality of the F model isn't really important for a normal user. That could push you towards the RX5700XT or RTX2070 while staying within your budget.
 
Thinking about this lot, 2 questions 650w PSU ok
When I bought my last PC, I couldn't find anywhere that suggested which power supply size I would need. I have no idea how people come up with the power consumption figure.

Theoretically you could add up the motherboard, memory, CPU, video card, disks, but you'd have to look deep into the specs of each component to do that and it might be average and not peak. And if it was peak then how likely are you to need peak of all components at the same time? You'd think people would be talking about it a lot but there's nothing. Folks seem to guess. I expect they guess much too high in most cases* because their super-duper PC must need allll the power.

The CPU takes 65W and the video card takes 175W... or does it? "
Requirements
  • Minimum of a 550 Watt power supply.
  • One available 8-pin PCIe power dongle
  • Total Power Draw : 175 Watts
That makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe they're saying a PC takes 375W without the video card? But how can they possibly know how many hard-drives etc. you've got?

The motherboard doesn't list a power draw anywhere, even though the chipset gets hot so it must take at least a few watts. The SSD takes 9W and the HDD 4W, which are trivial.

So far as I can see, you'd be safe with a 275W power supply, which is smaller than anyone sells, for a medium high-range PC, which makes absolutely no sense so it must be wrong.

But then maybe the power supply rating is optimistic, even though it's tech-specs do list it as 650W continuous power. In which case you've really got no way of knowing what size you need.

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* On the Apollo spacecraft, the toilet arrangements were by way of a condom-like device with an attached pipe. They came in three sizes and astronauts always chose a size too big. The people who had to clean the suits after training sessions called them "wet-backs".
 
When I bought my last PC, I couldn't find anywhere that suggested which power supply size I would need. I have no idea how people come up with the power consumption figure.

Theoretically you could add up the motherboard, memory, CPU, video card, disks, but you'd have to look deep into the specs of each component to do that and it might be average and not peak. And if it was peak then how likely are you to need peak of all components at the same time? You'd think people would be talking about it a lot but there's nothing. Folks seem to guess. I expect they guess much too high in most cases* because their super-duper PC must need allll the power.

The CPU takes 65W and the video card takes 175W... or does it? "

That makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe they're saying a PC takes 375W without the video card? But how can they possibly know how many hard-drives etc. you've got?

The motherboard doesn't list a power draw anywhere, even though the chipset gets hot so it must take at least a few watts. The SSD takes 9W and the HDD 4W, which are trivial.

So far as I can see, you'd be safe with a 275W power supply, which is smaller than anyone sells, for a medium high-range PC, which makes absolutely no sense so it must be wrong.

But then maybe the power supply rating is optimistic, even though it's tech-specs do list it as 650W continuous power. In which case you've really got no way of knowing what size you need.

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* On the Apollo spacecraft, the toilet arrangements were by way of a condom-like device with an attached pipe. They came in three sizes and astronauts always chose a size too big. The people who had to clean the suits after training sessions called them "wet-backs".

I was on a tech website that equated the PSU to a car engine, so if you pick a PSU wattage that is close to your system wattage requirement it's like red lining the engine, whereas pick one with a bit more overhead and it's in the mid revs, sort of made sense to me so I upped from a 550 to 650. Some said 1000...but I thought that's a bit OTT!!
 
I have that case its nice. Can you stretch to a water cooled CPU cooler? It's not necessary generally but I've found them excellent and mega quiet. Corsair do a range of them I have the H100 model.

I've never had watercooling, bit wary of having water anywhere near something electric!! Do they leak? Had to have some additive put in my cars radiator coz of a leak!!
 
Never had an issue nor heard of one from all the years I've used them, which is over 10 now. A brand like corsair would be very unlikely to have any issues like this.

Again an air cooler is fine but I love the water mounted ones as they are so quiet and my processor never goes over 50 degrees. As for fitting they fit the same as air coolers and you having a corsair case should mean it's even easier for you.

Well worth a look anyway.
 
A friend of mine has purchased several P.Cs from Novatech down in Portsmouth.

He has had a few problems, some of which may have been self inflicted, but the aftercare he has received has reportedly been exemplary. I'm certainly planning to buy my next PC from them.

As always, this is one person's hearsay, buyer beware etc etc.

Good luck and have fun, I'm not far behind you on the new PC front!
I can endorse this.

I bought my rig from mesh in 2015 and they were ok.
But the upgrades and laptop I have bought since from novatech have shown their service and aftercare to be far superior.
 
I've never had watercooling, bit wary of having water anywhere near something electric!! Do they leak? Had to have some additive put in my cars radiator coz of a leak!!
I have a Corsair 600-T Graphite case and fitted an out of the box Corsair H100-i liquid cooling system in it. Both items being Corsair and the case having been designed for liquid cooling, the fitting took me around 10 minutes when I built the system...won't go back to air cooled.
 
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Cheers for the extra advice peeps pricing up with the H100i!

edit.....I'm on the fence about the mem now, is 32gb overkill? Or I can get 16gb DDR4 3600 for same price as 42 DDR4 3200.
 
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ok so for 8 or so quid more and with some advice on another site as well as here I got this:

  • 1xCorsair Obsidian 750D
  • 1xASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
  • 1xAMD Ryzen 7 3700X, Zen 2, 8-core with SMT, 3.6GHz, 4.4GHz Turbo
  • 1xCorsair Hydro H100i PRO RGB - 240mm Liquid Cooler
  • 1x16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Dominator Platinum RGB - 3600MHz
  • 1x8GB AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary, 1605MHz GPU, 2560 Streams, 14000MHz GDDR6 - Radeon VR Ready
  • 1xCorsair RM650x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Single GPU
  • 1x1TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 600K IOPS
  • 1x2TB Seagate ST2000DM008 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
So liquid cooling, changing GPU to 5700xt, less mem but faster, 2tb HDD not 4tb (as I can put my current "game hdd" WD black 2tb in at a later date).
 
ok so for 8 or so quid more and with some advice on another site as well as here I got this:

  • 1xCorsair Obsidian 750D
  • 1xASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
  • 1xAMD Ryzen 7 3700X, Zen 2, 8-core with SMT, 3.6GHz, 4.4GHz Turbo
  • 1xCorsair Hydro H100i PRO RGB - 240mm Liquid Cooler
  • 1x16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Dominator Platinum RGB - 3600MHz
  • 1x8GB AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary, 1605MHz GPU, 2560 Streams, 14000MHz GDDR6 - Radeon VR Ready
  • 1xCorsair RM650x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Single GPU
  • 1x1TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 600K IOPS
  • 1x2TB Seagate ST2000DM008 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
So liquid cooling, changing GPU to 5700xt, less mem but faster, 2tb HDD not 4tb (as I can put my current "game hdd" WD black 2tb in at a later date).
Can I be cheeky and ask for the total spend? Have you included the OS as well or do you have an available Windows license (or running Linux)?

Currently looking around for a new system as well.
 
ok so for 8 or so quid more and with some advice on another site as well as here I got this:

  • 1xCorsair Obsidian 750D
  • 1xASUS ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
  • 1xAMD Ryzen 7 3700X, Zen 2, 8-core with SMT, 3.6GHz, 4.4GHz Turbo
  • 1xCorsair Hydro H100i PRO RGB - 240mm Liquid Cooler
  • 1x16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Dominator Platinum RGB - 3600MHz
  • 1x8GB AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary, 1605MHz GPU, 2560 Streams, 14000MHz GDDR6 - Radeon VR Ready
  • 1xCorsair RM650x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Single GPU
  • 1x1TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 600K IOPS
  • 1x2TB Seagate ST2000DM008 BarraCuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
So liquid cooling, changing GPU to 5700xt, less mem but faster, 2tb HDD not 4tb (as I can put my current "game hdd" WD black 2tb in at a later date).
If you can stretch to it...I'd avoid the 2TB HDD and fit one of these: Crucial MX-500 2TB. All SSD might seem a bit unneccessary, but that 1TB EVO will fill up sooner than you think. I've replaced all my spinner drives except for an old 2TB Samsung Hybrid I use for backups.
 
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