Modes Reworking the game modes

ALGOMATIC

Banned
Why if REAL PvPers are interested in testing their skills against other players is a level playing field a bad idea?

I am used to my own ship that I fly 100% of the time. I know how it handles, its strengths and weaknesses. I built it myself with what I find it needs through trial and error.
I dont know what CQC is and its irrelevant to my main game.
 
I am used to my own ship that I fly 100% of the time. I know how it handles, its strengths and weaknesses. I built it myself with what I find it needs through trial and error.
I dont know what CQC is and its irrelevant to my main game.

Your open only attitude is irrelevant to us and to Frontier. They've openly said repeatedly they support the mode system.
So if you want change, remember;

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That is what Engineers 3.0 is. A level playing field. You have the same chance as everyone else. Go put in some time.

Even Sandro said this.

Shields are so powerful, in 3.0 everyone can last at least until he/she high wake out. A minimum of skill and knowledge is needed. Absolutely reasonable, acceptable.

But of course if I don't like to be shot at, in an Open game mode by fellow Commanders, anyone daring!, is ruining the game. I shall forthwith harass the forum about a game mode I have no interest playing seriously anyway and expertly commend its doom. Perfectly, ruining this game mode for everyone uncertain - slander Open.

The mode Sammarco especially screw up and Frontier at the whole had not the slightest clue of of what experts in not wanting PvP any way, want from PvP!
Which is, Ladies&Gentlemen, be left alone. In an Open environment, consequently build around the very idea of conflict. A marvel!

I am baffled! by its logic, everyone playing the Mode consent about possible damage done by players, well aware, that, in Open you have to stand your man/lass fighting if need be. Jet, the mode being mostly empty, except of griefers gankers and lunatics, perfectly happy with what they got for years, the bickering and moaning of those fellas, proclaiming to be not a part of that misery, cos its insufferable .... wont stop the fuzz!
Amazing!
 
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Shields are so powerful, in 3.0 everyone can last at least until he/she high wake out. A minimum of skill and knowledge is needed. Absolutely reasonable, acceptable.

But of course if I don't like to be shot at, in an Open game mode by fellow Commanders, anyone daring!, is ruining the game. I shall forthwith harass the forum about a game mode I have no interest playing seriously anyway and expertly commend its doom. Perfectly, ruining this game mode for everyone uncertain - slander Open.

The mode Sammarco especially screw up and Frontier at the whole had not the slightest clue of of what experts in not wanting PvP any way, want from PvP!
Which is, Ladies&Gentlemen, be left alone. In an Open environment, consequently build around the very idea of conflict. A marvel!

I am baffled! by its logic, everyone playing the Mode consent about possible damage done by players, well aware, that, in Open you have to stand your man/lass fighting if need be. Jet, the mode being mostly empty, except of griefers gankers and lunatics, perfectly happy with what they got for years, the bickering and moaning of those fellas, proclaiming to be not a part of that misery, cos its insufferable .... wont stop the fuzz!
Amazing!

Dude, That may have been understandable in German, but in English? It is well neigh incomprehensible.

That said, I THINK you are complaining about people who don't like PvP, so they play in PG/Solo.

You do know one of the main lines of complaints these days is from PvPers who complain about PG/Solo players gaming the BGS/PP (even though they claim not to care about the BGS/PP) so they want to force all BGS/PP play into open, right? That is, force folks who don't want PvP folks into open so they can PvP them.

I believe that if this happens there will be a mass exodus from the game. I can't recall an open world game that went from purely optional PvP to forced PvP. And I can't imagine the results would be good as those that enjoy the game but don't like PvP for whatever reason are forced to do something they don't like.

But, again just my opinion as I don't have access to FDev's internal numbers.
 
Ok we get it! You hate people, you dont like play in open. Everyone in open are chetars and griefers. Please stop spread hatred against that mode.
I hope you not convinced a lot of players to not play open only because of your bad experience. A lot of good people exists in open and few re-buys are nothing.

You wrote about Mobius is more busy then open, maybe yes, but only because players like you exists. I still dont get it, play as you like and stop writing about mode you obviously hate.


No where has Jockey said he hated people, you are falsely trying to paint him in such way to weaken his argument, plus you have ignored that he has and does play in open, Nor has he ever said EVERYONE in Open are cheaters and griefers. You ask him to stop spreading hate against Open, but look at your own words... all you do is spread hate on the other modes.

yes, nothing wrong, its a game. But at least separate these individuals from normal socialized players.

I fully agree with you here cheaters and greifers should be separated from the normal socialized players. See those are the people who do not play well with others.

Both mobius groups have a total of what? 100K players? Out of 2mil copies sold.

Stop hallucinating, open is the busiest mode just based on common sense, unless you claim that 1.9mil play in solo.

Enough with this nonesence.

Mobius has at least 4 groups now, and out of 2 million copies sold you don't know how many people are playing in other PG's (there are more than just Mobius) or in Solo. To assume that the most # of players are in Open is just that.. an assumption. Plus it is rather a strange one with how many times complaints about Open being so empty have happened, and discussions on why Open needs "Rewards" or "Benefits" to get people to come back to Open. If Open is so busy with the most people playing in it then why would Fdev need to "entice" people to come to that mode?

So yea enough with the nonsense your spewing.

Agreed. And when it comes to PVP for objectives. People opt into those modes intentionally because they are there. No rebuy, no risk none of that.


Its dumb. its unbalanced, and I cant even believe people stand up for it.


We should be fighting each other Algo, PVPers vs PVPers over an objective. Not PVEers vs PVEers. <~ look how stupid that is. PVEers vs PVEers.


But after being here for a little while. Most of these people just troll at this point. Lets just wash our hands of it. I promise Frontier has seen whats been going on over the past 5 years with different people coming in and saying the same thing. While a very small group of people fight against it.


Leave them here to dwell at this point.


Its not worth the hassle anymore.

You should be fighting Algo PVPers vs PVPers, yet every time it is suggested to you people you balk. Organize battles, a PVP PG, create PVP senarios...

And you claim PVE vs PVE is stupid, yet ignore that in MMOs it has almost always been that way, the only difference in ED is now the players have a little bit of influence on the economy (vs major influence in auction houses etc) and on what direction the story goes.

I do hope you just wash your hands of it, because we would prefer you didn't troll here. Frontier has seen what has been going on and realize what you are trying to do to their game and ignore it.

That is what Engineers 3.0 is. A level playing field. You have the same chance as everyone else. Go put in some time.

Even Sandro said this.

Interesting that you would say this, because as vocal as you have been against the modes and how the game works and have IGNORED that you have the same chance as everyone else does to do things. That you would now say the same to those who you've ignored is rather hypocritical.
 
Dude, That may have been understandable in German, but in English? It is well neigh incomprehensible.

That said, I THINK you are complaining about people who don't like PvP, so they play in PG/Solo.

You do know one of the main lines of complaints these days is from PvPers who complain about PG/Solo players gaming the BGS/PP (even though they claim not to care about the BGS/PP) so they want to force all BGS/PP play into open, right? That is, force folks who don't want PvP folks into open so they can PvP them.

I believe that if this happens there will be a mass exodus from the game. I can't recall an open world game that went from purely optional PvP to forced PvP. And I can't imagine the results would be good as those that enjoy the game but don't like PvP for whatever reason are forced to do something they don't like.

But, again just my opinion as I don't have access to FDev's internal numbers.




My good man UmbraRex; incomprehensible? Would be a disaster wouldn't it?


To shade some light about my (a)musings and to clear a misunderstanding, I am not complaining.

I am amazed.
Not about what PvPers want, not about what PvEers want.
I am amazed about what PvEers don't want.

And apparently can't let go!
Although following the general fuzz created (by said PvEers) they loath it, never stopping to complain about, apparently out of their reach, which is, plain honestly&succesefully contribute to Open game mode, which is, we remember fondly, the all in one mode.
A PvP mode mind you.

Have fun!
 
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Ok we get it! You hate people, you dont like play in open. Everyone in open are chetars and griefers. Please stop spread hatred against that mode.
I hope you not convinced a lot of players to not play open only because of your bad experience. A lot of good people exists in open and few re-buys are nothing.

You wrote about Mobius is more busy then open, maybe yes, but only because players like you exists. I still dont get it, play as you like and stop writing about mode you obviously hate.

I play open and only ever have good times there, but okay.
I also tell people to use their block feature and not to accept random friend invites - I only recommend Mobius when that fails them.

But you carry on making up lies about me - it all shows how dishonest open mode griefers are.
 
you play open, see problems and even then be against changes. Oh ok then. I dont understand your logic but its yours.

Everything is set, everything is done let open mode rot.

You want Open to not rot as you think it is then get rid of the toxic players.
 
I personally don't mind griefers and wouldn't consider them toxic.
Part of playing open is being suprised as well as to suprise.

Getting ganked is part of the personal narrative, being an easy prey usually is the result of greediness (i.e. flying around in an unshielded cutter).
What I don't enjoy is that this greediness is possible within pg/solo.
This because it results in me being lazy, stripping my cutter down to nothing maxing cargo and shipping away within pg/solo.

It kinda ruins my personal narrative in that instance.
I won't change that behaviour as the game is kinda grindy, so the path of least resistance is the option I will always choose.
I am certainly not the only player deciding this way, all players are lazy (looks at recently disabled missions).

The hidden BGS/PP/UA attacks on the other hand just drive me into über tilt.
 
I personally don't mind griefers and wouldn't consider them toxic.
Part of playing open is being suprised as well as to suprise.

Getting ganked is part of the personal narrative, being an easy prey usually is the result of greediness (i.e. flying around in an unshielded cutter).
What I don't enjoy is that this greediness is possible within pg/solo.
This because it results in me being lazy, stripping my cutter down to nothing maxing cargo and shipping away within pg/solo.

It kinda ruins my personal narrative in that instance.
I won't change that behaviour as the game is kinda grindy, so the path of least resistance is the option I will always choose.
I am certainly not the only player deciding this way, all players are lazy (looks at recently disabled missions).

The hidden BGS/PP/UA attacks on the other hand just drive me into über tilt.

Ah, but you see, many people do mind griefers, and consider them toxic, and so some leave the game completely, some go to solo or PG.

Every player gankers run off is income FDev will never see from the store to help support the game.

Every potential player who reads reviews and see it's open season on new players in starter systems and decides not to buy the game is income FDev never gets to support the game.

Griefers are a net minus to Fdev's income. That should concern you. Even if you personally are fine with being attacked by a player in a ship you have no chance of escaping or surviving the encounter with.
 
you play open, see problems and even then be against changes. Oh ok then. I dont understand your logic but its yours.

Let me walk you through it;

When you buy something - do you let jealous people take it away from you or do you try to keep what you buy?

I paid for a game with equal access to all content in all modes.... that is what I paid for, that is what you paid for, that is what we all paid for.

I want to keep what I buy. That simple.
 
Ah, but you see, many people do mind griefers, and consider them toxic, and so some leave the game completely, some go to solo or PG.

Every player gankers run off is income FDev will never see from the store to help support the game.

Every potential player who reads reviews and see it's open season on new players in starter systems and decides not to buy the game is income FDev never gets to support the game.

Griefers are a net minus to Fdev's income. That should concern you. Even if you personally are fine with being attacked by a player in a ship you have no chance of escaping or surviving the encounter with.

Dang it...

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to UmbraRex again."
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
Ah, but you see, many people do mind griefers, and consider them toxic, and so some leave the game completely, some go to solo or PG.

Every player gankers run off is income FDev will never see from the store to help support the game.

Every potential player who reads reviews and see it's open season on new players in starter systems and decides not to buy the game is income FDev never gets to support the game.

Griefers are a net minus to Fdev's income. That should concern you. Even if you personally are fine with being attacked by a player in a ship you have no chance of escaping or surviving the encounter with.

No such thing as griefers in this game, stop inventing words and concepts. You cannot have griefers where the game fully allows for open PvP across the entire galaxy including inside of the station. Part of the game is being involved in PvP if you are in OPEN.
 
No such thing as griefers in this game, stop inventing words and concepts. You cannot have griefers where the game fully allows for open PvP across the entire galaxy including inside of the station. Part of the game is being involved in PvP if you are in OPEN.

Funny, because you keep toddling on about Commanders in Solo/PG, when the rules completely allow this. The phrase you are looking for is: Double Standard, or the ever popular Hypocritical. You choose. I will accept either in this case.
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
Funny, because you keep toddling on about Commanders in Solo/PG, when the rules completely allow this. The phrase you are looking for is: Double Standard, or the ever popular Hypocritical. You choose. I will accept either in this case.

I know the rules allow it, that's why we have hotel California for 5 years and the whole section on the forum called "Modes", all becsuse the rules allow it.
 
Dang it...

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to UmbraRex again."

I got him for you

No such thing as griefers in this game, stop inventing words and concepts. You cannot have griefers where the game fully allows for open PvP across the entire galaxy including inside of the station. Part of the game is being involved in PvP if you are in OPEN.


Funny thing to say since you admitted to being one
 
I know the rules allow it, that's why we have hotel California for 5 years and the whole section on the forum called "Modes", all becsuse the rules allow it.

And, that's why for the whole time there's been a Hotel California thread, there have been complaints about griefing. They run together most of the time. While some players try to push PvP above the game, other Commanders argue to keep the obviously successful design in tact.
 
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