Its not only his choice, it will become (already is in PP) the default path to success. Why would you risk yourself in OPEN when the same can be archieved in SOLO easier.
Modes Reworking the game modes
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Its not only his choice, it will become (already is in PP) the default path to success. Why would you risk yourself in OPEN when the same can be archieved in SOLO easier.
Robert Maynard
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Why would one play in Open if one does not share a preference for direct PvP?
The whole discussion is about PF vs PF not PF against NPCs. If you are trying to damage your enemy PF you shouldnt be able to jump into the safety net.
Ok, that's why OPEN needs extra rewards, you take more risk, you get extra rewards.
You dont want direct conflict? Dont get extra.
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Robert Maynard
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Indeed there is that video with excellent advice. And from the reaction to that video I read, quite a few players have adopted those strategies and are flying in Open.
That video worked a lot better than the many pointless threads in this section of the forum.
I agree. If you fly in Open you should get the reward of encountering random other CMDRs, which can be fun.
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Robert Maynard
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Frontier would not seem to agree (even if Sandro did, briefly, muse about it a while ago - and even then for PowerPlay only (not the BGS, etc) and for the Power only, not the player).
If Open *needs* extra rewards (i.e. financial inducement / coercion / bribes) to make it more popular, does that not suggest something?
Does it suggest that all modes are equal, but some are more equal than others?
It suggests that OPEN has the extra difficulty of having to encounter other commanders that will be more efficient than NPCs to kill you.
Going by the reports of those who are of a ganky persuasion, there are plenty of targets to be found in Open.
Which means Open does not need to be incentivized beyond the inherent characteristics of the mode.
Robert Maynard
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Regarding the challenge posed by the modes:
The bottom line is that Frontier, when designing their game, chose to design it such that direct PvP (and any additional challenge that that may offer) is entirely optional. They also chose to design the game around a single shared galaxy state that all players both experience and affect - regardless of game mode (or game platform).
They know that not all players agree with their stance regarding the equality and validity of the three choices of game mode.
Yeah, but if they wanna have more people in open they have to work on how it's discentivizing certain playstyles.
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Robert Maynard
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Which would seem to be the aim of the revised C&CC system, i.e. increase consequences for criminality, and the expected karma system.
A picture instead of a counter.
Why thank you. Best compliment I could get
Why thank you. Best compliment I could get
Source?
Or just made up?
As NPCs get the same weapons we have.
Because murder hobos (NPCs or PCs) didn't have consequences to face up to.
For me, jury is still out on if this new system is any better
Source?
Or more made up stuff?
As I engineer now because it's fun - it wasn't fun before, so I didn't.
Nature of "MMO" tag line.
bla bla bla, more made up stuff.
Sorry but your opinions don't trump facts.
In my opinion, the only play style that is genuinely disincentivized is the kind of play style that requires PvE players to be their content, because they can't kill the kind of player that enjoys the different kinds of challenges playing against other players can bring. In which case, if they get frustrated and quit, it is no great loss, because the damage they do to Open is far greater than the dubious "content" they provide.
Or encourage them. Both ways work the same way, shield their results.
Anyway, taking the forum as a margin, it appears, both sides of the fence seem unhappy.
Which is what happens in Open more often than not right?
I fully understand what you want to push and I'm not going to back down.
I've not ignored Open is part of the game at all.
PvP players have full access to all the modes, the same as everyone else.
What they don't have access to is other players - who don't want them, and the game was designed around that.
The modes are equal, the game is balance around PvE - because PvP is only for fun.
PvP use every lame excuse there is to push forcing people in to open mode, well it won't work.
Power Play is PvE Tokens
BGS is PvE work
Player Factions are just NPCs with a player chosen name stuck to them, they are still part of the BGS, same as the rest of the NPC factions - which you PvE to influence.
The game changes, by adding stuff - not by taking away content from others because you're being selfish.
(The T9 was changed by adding to it, not taking away. And the stuff added, works in all modes.
)"Git Gud" has always been an insult, so please don't treat us like idiots. Most of us have played enough PvP games to know that's what you type when you "pwn a n00b".
And yes I know why the video was made, I was around the forums the time he and other SDC members were openly trying to mock / bait people and making insulting videos - I watched all of them.
SDC were also the main group telling people to "Git Gud or get out of open" during their griefing spree ~ so you can thank them for your lack of targets now.
And to discuss something reasonably, you need to be open minded and you haven't been. You've had a vendetta for Solo / PG since you got here and it shows.
Sammarco: "consentual PvP"
This is definitely the one point most of us can agree on.
Seems FD has a somewhat unique way of handling the dilemma of how to cater to playstyles without excluding another... make everyone equally unhappy!
Two kids are playing and can't seem to get along with each other, so instead of giving each their own play area- we make them both sit on their hands.