Roadmap after release

gerrelli

gerrelli
RedWizzard said:
That's how I see it too.
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I understand where your coming from but Frontier is a business and businesses have a responsibility to their customers.

Name throwing and childish comments from forum goers shouldn't detract Frontier from communicating with it's customers, if people don't like what Frontier are saying or doing they can simply walk away. I'm sure the folks at Frontier don't take all these negative comments personally, when the money's rolling in all that matters are the numbers - a few disgruntled players won't affect overall sales figures and the critics love the game so the numbers will increase.
 
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Janichsan

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gerrelli said:
So I do think Frontier should share their roadmap, it's what all other business do.
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Please name some examples of "all other businesses". You'll find pretty quickly that almost no other company, no matter of what kind, shares their roadmap beyond short-term major announcements. Ford doesn't release their roadmap for their car development, Apple doesn't share their roadmap for their devices, Pfizer doesn't share their roadmap for the new pharmaceuticals they plan to release, Blizzard does nothing to share their roadmap about their future plans for WoW.

Just like all other businesses, FD will share their future plans when they have something to announce, not earlier.

Oh, and besides: the argument that Kickstarter backers are "pretty close to shareholders" is a misunderstanding of the Kickstarter concept. Someone proposes a product they want to make, you give them your money if you find the world a better place with that product in it. That's the full extent of the business relationship. You aren't entitled to anything, actually not even to the rewards you get for pledging.
 
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beelbeebub

beelbeebub
A roadmap would be nice, but there does seem to be a problem on this forum that some members struggle to accept that sometimes features need to be dropped, so the roadmap would have to be so heavily caveated as to be near useless.
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"what!? No CUPHOLDERS!!! I demand a FULL REFUND plus compensation for the time I've spent playing!!!!I'll sue!!!!!!"
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Also sometimes FD need to change direction (the dropping of drive slaving for example) and some on the forum react badly without looking at the reasoning (again see drive slaving vs wings).
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I suspect we get the road map we deserve, if we can't be mature about things, we don't get nice things....
 

benkei

benkei
Kitiara said:
While I'd love to know. I'm unfortunately in the position of hoping that they do not share upcoming plans. Simply because of the treatment that any alteration of a plan or slippage of a delivery date will attract on the forums.
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^^^^^^ QFT.
 

Lobstris

Lobstris
beelbeebub said:
A roadmap would be nice, but there does seem to be a problem on this forum that some members struggle to accept that sometimes features need to be dropped, so the roadmap would have to be so heavily caveated as to be near useless.
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Whilst I agree that features may/can/will disappear, even a simple list of what's still planned and when (i.e. what Quarter of 2015) it might appear would be nice. Are features like AI wingmen, crews, mining scans and probes, complex fuel management and fuel quality etc. still being worked on, prior to 'expansion' content (i.e. walking round ships and planetary landings). (Personally I'd rather we saw things we already have fleshed out, to make the game a better 'simulation' of piloting a ship through various activities, before we go down any FPS route, but...)
 

Soulstain

Soulstain
So why can Star Citizen lay out a roadmap? Why can they put out weekly videos on what's being worked on? Do you think they don't get criticism? I know FD don't have the cash that SC has but they can do far better in this department especially since many things should have been in the release version to start with.
 

gerrelli

gerrelli
Wow, speaking of childish and immature comments...

It's the fan boys that make these forums what are otherwise a mature and non confrontational place to talk. Your reactions/behaviour to this is exactly the thing you justify for not releasing a roadmap. I've removed my comments that offended the fan boys so deeply.

Please name some examples of "all other businesses". You'll find pretty quickly that almost no other company, no matter of what kind, shares their roadmap beyond short-term major announcements. Ford doesn't release their roadmap for their car development, Apple doesn't share their roadmap for their devices, Pfizer doesn't share their roadmap for the new pharmaceuticals they plan to release, Blizzard does nothing to share their roadmap about their future plans for WoW .
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1./ In terms of a roadmap, Frontier themselves have released videos and other media with their plans for the future, without going into semantics, a roadmap. Covered in my previous post above.
2./ Microsoft release their roadmap on the majority of their software including how long it will be supportable, deprecated or replaced with an alternative product;
3./ Starbound have released a roadmap, albeit high level;
4./ Adobe release roadmap's for much of their software;
5./ AvePoint, Nintex, K2 - among others have roadmap's for their products, it's quite common for small to medium businesses trying to secure investment;
6./ Star Citizen.

I don't know about cars and toasters but in digital business roadmap's are common. I have one for my own team.

I'm not suggesting a low level breakdown of upcoming functionality, just what are "we likely" to expect in the expansions we signed up for. You might not care or want to ask for fear of hurting Frontier's feelings, but many of us would "appreciate" (not demand) some information as to what is to come. It's not unreasonable to ask, but flaming people for asking just deters genuine questions from other players.

Anyway, if you have nothing to contribute to the OP subject please flame elsewhere.
 
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TUXER

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gerrelli said:
Wow, speaking of childish and immature comments...

It's the fan boys that make these forums what are otherwise a mature and non confrontational place to talk. Your reactions/behaviour to this is exactly the thing you justify for not releasing a roadmap. I've removed my comments that offended the fan boys so deeply.



1./ In terms of a roadmap, Frontier themselves have released videos and other media with their plans for the future, without going into semantics, a roadmap. Covered in my previous post above.
2./ Microsoft release their roadmap on the majority of their software including how long it will be supportable, deprecated or replaced with an alternative product;
3./ Starbound have released a roadmap, albeit high level;
4./ Adobe release roadmap's for much of their software;
5./ AvePoint, Nintex, K2 - among others have roadmap's for their products, it's quite common for small to medium businesses trying to secure investment.

I don't know about cars and toasters but I do in digital business roadmap's are common. I have one for my own team.

I'm not suggesting a low level breakdown of upcoming functionality, just what are "we likely" to expect in the expansions we signed up for. You might not care or want to ask for fear of hurting Frontier's feelings, but many of us would "appreciate" (not demand) some information as to what is to come. It's not unreasonable to ask, but flaming people for asking just deters genuine questions from other players.

Anyway, if you have nothing to contribute to the OP subject please flame elsewhere.
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are you looking for a roadmap of Frontier or a roadmap of ED?

Most games do not have published roadmaps.
Most private companies do not provide roadmaps to the public. Publically traded ones do however

I hope that clears things up for you
 

gerrelli

gerrelli
Lobstris said:
Whilst I agree that features may/can/will disappear, even a simple list of what's still planned and when (i.e. what Quarter of 2015) it might appear would be nice. Are features like AI wingmen, crews, mining scans and probes, complex fuel management and fuel quality etc. still being worked on, prior to 'expansion' content (i.e. walking round ships and planetary landings). (Personally I'd rather we saw things we already have fleshed out, to make the game a better 'simulation' of piloting a ship through various activities, before we go down any FPS route, but...)
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AI Wingman would be great. Crews would be a nice touch for walking around stations which is something Frontier said they would like to do.

Mining is big gap IMHO, I hope to see this addressed sooner rather then later.

Speaking of fleshing out, what specifically do you think needs working out? Apart from mining. I find the missions are a little thin on detail and start to get really repetitive.
 

The Law

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Planetary landings as paid expansion is totally understandable. But what about the FPS station mode? I think that should be "free" addon via post launch, since it is major functionality instead of novelty and it should have been part of v1.0.
 

TUXER

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gerrelli said:
AI Wingman would be great. Crews would be a nice touch for walking around stations which is something Frontier said they would like to do.

Mining is big gap IMHO, I hope to see this addressed sooner rather then later.

Speaking of fleshing out, what specifically do you think needs working out? Apart from mining. I find the missions are a little thin on detail and start to get really repetitive.
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to be fair with a metacric rating of 82. I doubt they will be making very many feature changes without a subscription or expansion. There is not much motovation to do so.

That said, some minor adjustments I am sure are in order but I doubt we will see an overhaul to mining
 

gerrelli

gerrelli
TUXER said:
are you looking for a roadmap of Frontier or a roadmap of ED?

Most games do not have published roadmaps.
Most private companies do not provide roadmaps to the public. Publically traded ones do however

I hope that clears things up for you
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Maybe I should not use the word roadmap, it seems to create confusion, I was using it generically to describe high level plans for the future of ED. As I said already, there are videos, publications and posts from Frontier on it's plans for ED beyond release, I'm just hoping that this continues past release with semi regular updates of some kind. Maybe in the newsletters that we get.

The whole roadmap debate was a distraction from my OP, but I think most people understand the term as meaning "coming up next".
 

TUXER

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The Law said:
Planetary landings as paid expansion is totally understandable. But what about the FPS station mode? I think that should be "free" addon via post launch, since it is major functionality instead of novelty and it should have been part of v1.0.
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I would be shocked if they did.

Eve did as a 'free expansion' but they get monthly subs
 

gerrelli

gerrelli
TUXER said:
I would be shocked if they did.

Eve did as a 'free expansion' but they get monthly subs
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This was always the thing about a non subscription model that ED decided to go with, I was always unsure how they would sustain future development if they don't have regular income from subscription. Where is the money going to come from to pay for all of these future enhancements they have eluded to? A subscription model could really have worked for them with their historic backing from more seasoned players of the original series.
 

Zvanya

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The roadmap seems fairly obvious from what's been said over the last year by Braden and the Devs.

Continued development of main game after release: new content, bug fixes, tweaks, balancing, etc. An ongoing never ending process.
Simultaneous development of expansion content.

Is more detail needed right this instant? Or can we wait until the game is a month or so old?
 

Gorr

Gorr
More than so many times mentioned planet jogging I would like to see:
-Improved mining (will not comment until they show us what they are working on)
-Reworked mission system (so much to add here. Needs to be reworked both in quantity and quality. Give us some mini stories that we have to follow, give us closed systems that we have to gain access to but than some really good stuff there - good trading routes or unique equipment... )
-Improved AI (federal ships, docking computer and so on)
-Expanded "unknown signal" mechanic, with various dangerous but also rare and valuable event spawns
 

Shaamaan

Shaamaan
gerrelli said:
For a start all backers purchased all future expansions, so a roadmap for these would be a good start, even if it's high level.
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Well, as a regular customer I do hope they'll fix the current game elements (AI, comms to name just two elements which irk me at the moment), and possibly refine a few others.

I don't feel like paying extra for what should be a functional product already.
 
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