Sandro: "People who play Open versus other modes are majority, by significant margin"

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its not that I feel diffrently, it's that instancing isnt always the best option when it comes to things like this. I just presented the logic i've percieved as coming from fdev, after all, those ploited monies and mats are probably a bigger concern than the "solo open mode" ive mentioned. But i bet those who utilized those ploits would cry if their "hard work" was taken away. which leads me to ask, which I probably won't get a straight nor honest answer for, yet I'm sure many utilized it, did you profit off of any of the previous ploits? did you discard said mats and monies once the mode of their gain was identified as ploits?

Logic percieved: My ploit was fine because fdev didnt take the rewards from ploiting, meanwhile to utilize another ploit that doesn't benefit me is against the rules
 
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its not that I feel diffrently, it's that instancing isnt always the best option when it comes to things like this.


Sure.. doesn't make it ok to cheat..

I just presented the logic i've percieved as coming from fdev, after all, those ploited monies and mats are probably a bigger concern than the "solo open mode" ive mentioned.


I would think players tinkering with their routers to remove competition in a competitive game mode would be at least as concerning for a developer as cash/material exploits tbh..

But i bet those who utilized those ploits would cry if their "hard work" was taken away.


Some would I dare say..


which leads me to ask, which I probably won't get a straight nor honest answer for, yet I'm sure many utilized it, did you profit off of any of the previous ploits? did you discard said mats and monies once the mode of their gain was identified as ploits?

That question for me..? If so why ask if you doubt my response will be straight or honest..?
But FWIW.. I once made two trips to a seeking luxuries signal source when it was broken, in an Asp.. Didn't really see the point so went off and did something more interesting in game instead..

Logic percieved: My ploit was fine because fdev didnt take the rewards from ploiting, meanwhile to utilize another ploit that doesn't benefit me is against the rules


Not my logic.. and really irrelevant to the thread
 
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PvP is half baked. Period. If people can deny disgracefully the kills, then don't make kills the objective. Online games have solved that since decades. King of the hill, Payload, VIP missions in hotspots clearly highlighted like community goals. PP could be a bit more scripted in open.

And while you're at it, reduce rebuy costs while fighting in hotspots for players competing for their power. If Elite is an MMO and creds are XP, then it's the only one I can think of where players loose their grinded XP when they die.
 


Sure.. doesn't make it ok to cheat..


I agree, i quite enjoy challenge, it raises skill and the personal reward for achiving it is far greater.

I would think players tinkering with their routers to remove competition in a competitive game mode would be at least as concerning for a developer as cash/material exploits tbh..




Then why haven't they done anything about it? I'm not sure they've mentioned it even, im actively doing the mining cg atm so I'll search here in a bit



That question for me..? If so why ask if you doubt my response will be straight or honest..?
But FWIW.. I once made two trips to a seeking luxuries signal source when it was broken, in an Asp.. Didn't really see the point so went off and did something more interesting in game instead..



was more to raise a question for thought rather than directed at you.

Not my logic.. and really irrelevant to the thread

theres a lot of irrelevance to this thread, doesn't mean we can't have an educated discussion, on logic that does have something to do with this, it's why I'm trying to talk in generalities rather than personally directed. I'm not on an attack, all I can speak on is my perception of things, and hopefully spark some thought outside of the boxes many seem to confine themselves in. I mean after all, Aristotle did say "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
 
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They tried the flee mechanic and it didn't work out so well, as you get to pump them up the rear while they're fleeing.

Wasn't a problem with the premise, just with the implementation. NPCs weren't fleeing correctly, or were trying to flee when flight was impossible. If they know they are faster, they should wait until you are facing them and distances are closing, then boost past you and just keep going. Otherwise, they should try to be as evasive as possible as they spool for a jump or low-wake, as appropriate. If they are cornered (in a slower, less manuverable ship while deep inside a hard masslock, for example) then they should fight to the end.

Anyway, I recall quite a few complaints about the evasive/flighty NPCs not holding still to be shot...people want them to be mindless fodder, unfortunately.
 
You're right. It should be former ploit. Just like I'm a former plorer who recently former ploded.

i think my mind just ploded all over my puter, well played (god what did I start!! love u guys!! i needed this laugh today)

Also about the word ploit, maybe it's a younger thing (im 32, btw, so like 25 years at least), few mmo's i've played over the years had referred to them as ploits as some point in time and some of the xbox modding scene, it's been some years since i've heard them referred to as that though. Lemme see if I can remember exactly, see If i can't find some old posts somewhere or something that haven't since been wiped.

edit: man i really thought the word was bigger than it is, must just be me and some of the communities i've been in, eh i guess ill have to be non lazy and type to word since ya'll pickin on me!!! i kid.

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You're right. It should be former ploit. Just like I'm a former plorer who recently former ploded.

Technology is making us revert from Homo Sapiens to the previous Homo Neanderthal Ensis species. The microwave oven sales boom in the 1970s guaranteed that a major portion of the human population no longer knows how to cook. Search engines like Google, Yahoo, AOL, Bing, Yandex (Russian) is where many get their education versus going to school, reading books, getting a high level education and learning how to think. Social Networking sites like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Google+, YouTube, Pinterest provide our major life decisions in relationships, careers, politics, social status deciding our fate with emotions based on a lot of mis-information. No need to actually socialize face-to-face live.

Add in texting that destroys languages all over the world moving fingers around a smartphone keyboard with abbreviations for just about everything. How natural it is that abbreviating words becomes the language. Soon many won't be able to spell the full word much less it's proper usage. Shorthand texting also causes problems as one text message can be taken 10 different ways so someone invented emoticons. Even less typing.

Being proficient at this is often a status symbol for many even in ED (shorthand for Elite Dangerous) with ploit, BGS, DBS, FDL, SRV, CG, CZ, Imp, KWS, NPC, PvP, PvE, USS, WSS feeling they are cool conveying to others that they know all about the game while new players have to look some of them up. For me the coolness is helping others to enjoy the game with my experience and play style I'm really good at and still it's a suggestion and never a definitive solution. We all play so differently.

The result? Too many live their life online detached from the human condition relying on an Internet to resolve their life issues often with emotional responses versus a highly educated one. An example would be street interviews where in the USA someone totally hates President Trump but don't know who is the vice president Pence, the three branches of government, and a thousand other important moments in human history they have no clue about. They are missing thousands of years of humanity and learning from some of the best and worst. I don't see a lot of scientists, doctors, philosophers, and engineers skating around Venice Beach in SoCal. Technology is a great thing but use it wisely to your advantage less you become a servant of it. Deep huh?

As for this post? Of course Open play is the majority. Everyone sooner or later goes to Open play even many who profess that they NEVER play in Open. Thus the numbers on a spreadsheet. I play in Open about 50 percent of the time but my reasons for being there are not dedicated PvP nor will I ever kill live players. WHY we play in Open is the real issue. So have Frontier email every player who bought the game and ask them why they sometimes play in Open and what they expect doing it. That would be the definitive poll that Frontier could use. The hard core PvPers may not like the results.

Best Regards
 
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Technology is making us revert from homo Sapiens to the previous Homo Neanderthal Ensis species. The microwave oven sales boom in the 1970s guaranteed that a major portion of the human population no longer knows how to cook. Search engines like Google, Yahoo, AOL, Bing, Yandex (Russian) is where many get their education versus going to school, reading books, getting a high level education and learning how to think. Social Networking sites like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Google+, YouTube, Pinterest provide our major life decisions in relationships, careers, politics, social status deciding our fate with emotions based on a lot of mis-information. No need to actually socialize face-to-face live.

Add in texting that destroys languages all over the world moving fingers around a smartphone keyboard with abbreviations for just about everything. How natural it is that abbreviating words becomes the language. Soon many won't be able to spell the full word much less it's proper usage. Shorthand texting also causes problems as one text message can be taken 10 different ways so someone invented emoticons. Even less typing.

Being proficient at this is often a status symbol for many even in ED (shorthand for Elite Dangerous) with ploit, BGS, DBS, FDL, SRV, CG, CZ, Imp, KWS, NPC, PvP, PvE, USS, WSS feeling they are cool conveying to others that they know all about the game while new players have to look some of them up. For me the coolness is helping others to enjoy the game with my experience and play style I'm really good at and still it's a suggestion and never a definitive solution. We all play so differently.

The result? Too many live their life online detached from the human condition relying on an Internet to resolve their life issues often with an emotional response versus a highly educated one. An example would be street interviews where in the USA someone totally hates President Trump but don't know who is the vice president Pence, the three branches of government, and a thousand other important moments in human history they have no clue about. They are missing thousands of years of humanity and learning from some of the best and worst. I don't see a lot of scientists, doctors, philosophers, and engineers skating around Venice Beach in SoCal. Technology is a great thing but use it wisely to your advantage less you become a servant of it. Deep huh?

As for this post? Of course Open play is the majority. Everyone sooner or later goes to Open play even many who profess that they NEVER play in Open. Thus the numbers on a spreadsheet. I play in Open about 50 percent of the time but my reasons for being there are not dedicated PvP nor will I ever kill live players. WHY we play in Open is the real issue. So have Frontier email every player who bought the game and ask them why they sometimes play in Open and what they expect doing it. That would be the definitive poll that Frontier could use. The hard core PvPers may not like the results.

Best Regards

Personally, having to explain everything that happened before 1993 is something I have to do, continuously. :(
 
Technology is making us revert from homo Sapiens to the previous Homo Neanderthal Ensis species. The microwave oven sales boom in the 1970s guaranteed that a major portion of the human population no longer knows how to cook. Search engines like Google, Yahoo, AOL, Bing, Yandex (Russian) is where many get their education versus going to school, reading books, getting a high level education and learning how to think. Social Networking sites like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Google+, YouTube, Pinterest provide our major life decisions in relationships, careers, politics, social status deciding our fate with emotions based on a lot of mis-information. No need to actually socialize face-to-face live.

Add in texting that destroys languages all over the world moving fingers around a smartphone keyboard with abbreviations for just about everything. How natural it is that abbreviating words becomes the language. Soon many won't be able to spell the full word much less it's proper usage. Shorthand texting also causes problems as one text message can be taken 10 different ways so someone invented emoticons. Even less typing.

Being proficient at this is often a status symbol for many even in ED (shorthand for Elite Dangerous) with ploit, BGS, DBS, FDL, SRV, CG, CZ, Imp, KWS, NPC, PvP, PvE, USS, WSS feeling they are cool conveying to others that they know all about the game while new players have to look some of them up. For me the coolness is helping others to enjoy the game with my experience and play style I'm really good at and still it's a suggestion and never a definitive solution. We all play so differently.

The result? Too many live their life online detached from the human condition relying on an Internet to resolve their life issues often with an emotional response versus a highly educated one. An example would be street interviews where in the USA someone totally hates President Trump but don't know who is the vice president Pence, the three branches of government, and a thousand other important moments in human history they have no clue about. They are missing thousands of years of humanity and learning from some of the best and worst. I don't see a lot of scientists, doctors, philosophers, and engineers skating around Venice Beach in SoCal. Technology is a great thing but use it wisely to your advantage less you become a servant of it. Deep huh?

As for this post? Of course Open play is the majority. Everyone sooner or later goes to Open play even many who profess that they NEVER play in Open. Thus the numbers on a spreadsheet. I play in Open about 50 percent of the time but my reasons for being there are not dedicated PvP nor will I ever kill live players. WHY we play in Open is the real issue. So have Frontier email every player who bought the game and ask them why they sometimes play in Open and what they expect doing it. That would be the definitive poll that Frontier could use. The hard core PvPers may not like the results.

Best Regards

It's been a while since I've been on here.
The sad thing is that you are right that the trend is going that way.

I suppose the TLDR version response should be "Go offline and go out to a park and play or perhaps read a book from a library"
 
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