Save the DDA!

[Dommarraa]

Any project manager will know that todays brilliant must-have is tommorrows waste of development time, and vice-versa.
Culling old ideas is vital so you can see the wood for the trees, if it is important enough, it will reappear.
Stale suggestions will often stagnate and never be implemented, but an old idea reappearing in new cloths can really stimulate thought and enthusiasm.

Burn it. Burn it all. The good stuff will regrow with added vigor.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

If there’s anything of value there, we can be sure it’s noted somewhere at Frontier. Otherwise it’s time to stop dangling a dehydrated carrot in front of the donkey - the donkey doesn’t want it, and no one wants to look at it any more.

 

[amigacooke]

the donkey doesn’t want it, and no one wants to look at it any more.

You must give us the sources of these interesting pieces of information.

 

[StuartGT]

So as a plea to FD.... will you be saving or killing off the DDA when copying stuff to the new forums?

I recommend editing Brett's response into your OP, because your question has already been answered:

Hi
So does this mean an end to the DDF archives and they will be lost for ever? Whilst I know people (ie like myself) use them to point out critical features where I feel the game has derailed from the one I backed, it IS a treasure trove of info and I think it would be a damn shame for you to delete all of that stuff.

I would request all this stuff be added as its own tab in the new forum

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=36

DDF, PBF, and ABF I will add a note to persist over to XenForo 2.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

How often was the phrase "In a few years time..." used in the DDA a few years ago?

 

[StuartGT]

How often was the phrase "In a few years time..." used in the DDA a few years ago?

A few times.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

A few times.

Well played.

Few would manage such a feat.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I recommend editing Brett's response into your OP, because your question has already been answered:

I had posted the link elsehwere in the thread and thanked Brett however i have now added it to the OP.

How often was the phrase "In a few years time..." used in the DDA a few years ago?

and this hits the nail on the head with the issue.

IF someone is to dangle a carrot by saying "look at all these shinies, they may not all come at launch and some will take a few years to get in but trust us and we will deliver in time".

Then a few years later................... "Those features were from a few years ago now, therefore none of it is relevant".

Is there not a problem in the logic there?

FD are absolutely are under no legal obligation to keep us in the loop or to deliver on the sales pitch they gave us.......... HOWEVER I would say given they got a lot of media attention and early funding for this game based on the early proposals that I would suggest morally they owe it to the early backers to keep us in the loop as to what is going on.

I know some disagree and that is your prerogative but hand on heart do people think the kickstarter would have got past the goal line based on a pitch for the exact game we have today after 5 years post launch?

I am not saying ED over sold as much has star citizen has, but there is a certain amount of cognitive dissonance by some posters imo if they think there is not any overlap at all.

 

[SP_Predicador]

Well played.

Few would manage such a feat.

Not so many times as you suggest, also I remind you that we are in 2019, the release being in 2014, so that excuse every year more, is weaker

But that's not the point, I like the game even not being that was depicted before release, I even can understand why things needed to be changed, I even envy those players that came after the release and bought exactly the game that then was.

But in my opinion erase the DDA would be an error and a admission of guilt of some kind.

Again, thanks BrettC!! In my opinion, as in other games, CMs and Devs have a lot of common sense.

Frontier can defend itself publishing great work as Beyond, doen't need this kind of player defense, that only bores or irritates

I had posted the link elsehwere in the thread and thanked Brett however i have now added it to the OP.

I gave Brett +1 rep too! But it's a good idea to edit the OP. I hope the note of Brett wins.

 

[Lightspeed]

The DDF should be retained for forum CGs to mine salt !

 

[Weps]

On principle, I think the DDF should be kept for nostalgia value alone. If there is one time in E: D history I think of with fondness, it's that time right before launch when I was imagining how the game will soar.

Of course it's in the company's best interest to make it go away, because it's a good example to show to new, or potential customers, just how capable FDEV are at beguiling people without a solid foundation behind it. Which is why you also see white knights brandishing their flamethrowers. The cynic in me knows the DDF won't survive the night - everything ends eventually, even dreams. At some point you just gotta wake up.

 

[VR jefranklin18]

IF someone is to dangle a carrot by saying "look at all these shinies, they may not all come at launch and some will take a few years to get in but trust us and we will deliver in time".

Then a few years later................... "Those features were from a few years ago now, therefore none of it is relevant".

Is there not a problem in the logic there?

FD are absolutely are under no legal obligation to keep us in the loop or to deliver on the sales pitch they gave us.......... HOWEVER I would say given they got a lot of media attention and early funding for this game based on the early proposals that I would suggest morally they owe it to the early backers to keep us in the loop as to what is going on.

Unfortunately, Frontier have demonstrated time after time they have no desire to keep early backers or anyone in the loop unless you meet whatever criteria it is to get invited to their office.

I know some disagree and that is your prerogative but hand on heart do people think the kickstarter would have got past the goal line based on a pitch for the exact game we have today after 5 years post launch?

I am not saying ED over sold as much has star citizen has, but there is a certain amount of cognitive dissonance by some posters imo if they think there is not any overlap at all.

I didn't back to DDF level (spousal ban) so only saw the updates coming out of it when they were locked down and I was sceptical about a lot of it and when private beta launched (which is the level I did back at) and saw how compromised the game was, I knew the majority of the DDF was just theory crafted nonsense. Sounds harsh, and I am sure Sandro and design team genuinely thought they were going to get some of the ideas in game, but the game's executive took one look at them and drew red lines through the majority of it (or at least that is my take )

My thoughts on whether they should be kept are they are probably a useful reference source but I do not expect even a microscopic amount to make it in game.

 

[Lestat]

I agree to save the DDA.

 

[Blackcompany]

On principle, I think the DDF should be kept for nostalgia value alone. If there is one time in E: D history I think of with fondness, it's that time right before launch when I was imagining how the game will soar.

Of course it's in the company's best interest to make it go away, because it's a good example to show to new, or potential customers, just how capable FDEV are at beguiling people without a solid foundation behind it. Which is why you also see white knights brandishing their flamethrowers. The cynic in me knows the DDF won't survive the night - everything ends eventually, even dreams. At some point you just gotta wake up.

Any discussion of the DDF, along with the forum post where Brett admits Fdev tech cannot handle atmo and legs, will be purged. Along with their basically blowing off promised content last year, it's another sign the game has basically been consigned to maintenance mode.

 

[Jack Schitt]

[...]"near god-like" powers[...]

I can only imagine the frustration in FD's marketing department that they have no control over what's archived on the Kickstarter campaign page. If they did, those "near god-like" powers would have been consigned to the Memory Hole years ago. It's got to be one of David Braben's biggest faux pas; as an eleventh hour encouragement to boost pledges, an unambiguous statement about specific game features that they now have no desire or technical ability to deliver upon. "Well dodgy," as the kids say.

I recommend editing Brett's response into your OP, because your question has already been answered:

Not quite. Mike asked about the archive, and Brett's answer referenced the still-active forums. This might be a slip of the keyboard, or they might be talking at cross-purposes. I have posted a request for clarification in the Forum Revamp thread.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Whatever happened to our DDF “godlike powers”?

 

[EUS]

Whatever happened to our DDF “godlike powers”?

What do you call the ability to give rep?

 

[Tyger]

DDA - It is outdated, not required and just shouting from the windows with no clout to impart anything.

No, time to go.

 

[PiLhEaD]

Personally I'd like all the old forum threads to be archived for reference.

I know the problems with this but it will be such a shame if we lose such an amazing resource.

Fair point. Else how in a thousand years are people going to understand how 'It's Tj's fault' supplanted 'Kilroy was 'ere'.

 

[Sysmon]

It fun discussing things before Alpha, dreaming big and seeing the developers ideas and what they turned into. And was nice to be able to point back to the DDA when discussing features added to the game in lieu of them being originally discussed or not, or if new mechanics are improvements. But let the thing go now. It has done its job.

S

Edit: Looks like the DDF and the backers fora are marked for transferring to Xenforo2, so we are safe! Although that of course shouldn't stop the discussion!