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Just want to make sure everyone is aware that ED of course is Elite Dangerous and SC is Star Citizen.

Alright, so I decided to take my chances and back SC for 45 dollars and give it a try while also playing Elite dangerous and I have to say from what I have played and what I have seen of SC so far its making it harder for me whether I want to even play ED anymore.

Now I know they are 2 different games with different concepts however I am going to focus on the stuff that is or will be the same.

First of all Price. You can pay 45 dollars which give you backer status, extra goodies, alpha access to arena commander, beta access and full game when it launches. ED you pay 75 dollars which gives you access to mercenary edition goodies and beta access.

Second Hangar and ship Navigation - The first thing you notice between ED and SC is that in SC you can interact with the ship and the hanger its docked in 100 percent. You spawn in your hanger and can walk over to your ship, open the doors, climb into the cargo bay, sit down in the pilot seat and get up again.

Multi crew ships - get out of pilot seat go over to gunner station and man guns while friends pilot the ship.

I know elite will be looking into these options however my main concern is this but why have to pay extra for an expansion o be able to walk around my own ship when this is going to be part of SC's release?

I spent the first 20 minutes playing SC just lying down in my ships cargo hold because I could.

Third - More realistic cockpit - As many of you may have noticed there is really no interaction with the player cockpit at all in ED. The interface is static and even the pilots hands don't move when the ship is turning. As a matter of fact your pilot will take his hand of the control stick when are are in a mid turn.

SC's cockpit is fully interactive. Each individual panel can be manipulated by the player and his in ship avatar. Want to cut power to shields? Your pilots hand will move over to this control panel click the button and shields will turn off.

Forth point Multi Player works - Even though arena commander is in Alpha its multi player aspect is about 100 times more stable then ED and ED is closer to release. Being able to get together with friends as you all go against each other or fight against other people is so much fun. Sure ED will have private groups but Open play is so buggy right now its not even worth going online. Being able to see more then 1 or 2 people in the same system as you is also an added bonus which you don't really get in Elite right now.

Now I know that ED pales in comparison to SC for funding (Close to 59 mil now) but the main reason they have gotten this funding is because they Deliver, they are more active in the community and take the feedback from players more seriously. They hold events that backers can attend and also let backers schedule meetings to meet the staff. Having paid into the elite beta I really don't feel as though backing has done anything for me other then give me access to the game.

SC will be a completely different game in the end from Elite and I know that but its the small stuff I listed above has me leaning towards SC more then ED.

SC: - 45 Dollar backing will get you
Beta access to all content as its launched
Developers who add or launch content based on player feedback
Full Game on Launch
Planetary Walking - Included at no extra cost
First person shooter Combat - Included no extra cost
Ship Interaction - Walking around inside or out side of ship - No Extra cost
PVP ranked space combat - Included
And much more

75 Dollar Backing in ED will get you:

Beta access - Core game only
Mercenary Edition Content
Full Game on Launch
Walking around space ship - Not included have to buy expansion
Walking around planets - Not included have to buy expansion

The only exception to this is those who paid the 150 dollars when it was available.

Still all in all I am having a lot more with multiplayer and the interaction with my own personal ship with my own personal hanger for 45 dollars then I am with my 75 dollar buy in to ED.

Anyway I am not saying one game is better then the other because like I said they are both different in many ways what I am saying is that you get a lot more bang for your buck in a SC backing then you do in ED. I think ED really needs to provide a lot more incentive for people to buy into the beta of a game that has lots of gamestopping issues for 75 dollars then they are offering now.
 
Oh, no you don't :p Not this discussion again...

I dont understand...if you have pledged/bought both games (SC is barely a game yet though), why the debate? You already have both - so you can play both. You do not have to make a choice unless you force yourself to make a choice.

I have pledged/backed both ED and SC. As it looks, ED will be out november/december and SC will be alpha in late 2015 at best. That gives me plenty of time to play ED and see how it evolves. When SC gets to actually have a gameplay of sorts, I'll probably throw in a lot of gametime in SC too...

Also, as I mentioned, SC isn't really game yet, so I dont understand how you can get "more bang for your buck", as you put it.
 
The only reason I backed Elite was so I could lie down in my cargo bay. Forget being able to actually fly around any sort of working galaxy, I want to lie down inside crammed, dull rooms!
 
Seriously?
I'm on the ED forums for ED. If I want SC I will go there.

If I want a balanced comparison of them, I will avoid both.

Heads up. They are different games from different developers and will therefore be different.

Suggest that if SC floats your boat, you pony up a few more and invest for the future.
 
Seriously?
I'm on the ED forums for ED. If I want SC I will go there.

If I want a balanced comparison of them, I will avoid both.

Heads up. They are different games from different developers and will therefore be different.

Suggest that if SC floats your boat, you pony up a few more and invest for the future.

You should maybe read the post again. I already said I know they are different games. I also did not say one was better then the other. What I AM saying is that what is happening with the 75 dollars I have backed into this Beta? I am also saying that being part of this beta we should be more part of the development process. How much of our feedback is really being considered? Other then updates to patches that are being released when are we really given part of the development process. Yes there are development videos which are based on the developers goals for the games and not player feedback.
 
Wrong forum.

But for what it's worth I'm also a backer of both and have given SC a fair amount of time testing Arena Commander and the racing thingy, and my feelings about the two games are the direct opposite of yours. Funny old world, ain't it?

Bottom line, it looks good and has fantastic potential, but at this time I just keep coming back to ED.
 
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I pledge for Ed two years ago with 30$ they still gave me NOTHING,


I pledge for SC a few months ago, 30$ they gave me a huge download immediately. a hangar with a ship and something to play


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guess who is who :mad:
 
You should maybe read the post again. I already said I know they are different games. I also did not say one was better then the other. What I AM saying is that what is happening with the 75 dollars I have backed into this Beta? I am also saying that being part of this beta we should be more part of the development process. How much of our feedback is really being considered? Other then updates to patches that are being released when are we really given part of the development process. Yes there are development videos which are based on the developers goals for the games and not player feedback.

Feedback has mostly been and gone. The game is due to release in a few months.

I also don't think you can compare pricing in the way you are when you consider SC is going to take much longer (if you could pay $20 for Elite and get it in 5 years would that be preferable?). There is also that horrible funding model they have going, albeit it's working for them.
 
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Not comparable, I've also backed SC and I do not spend much time there, the WOW will go a way I promise.
 
First of all, I don't think that this discussion belongs in the Beta thread. The place for this would be in the General Discussions seeing as there is no constructive outcome.

Second, I think this whole thing about SC vs ED has run its course and is pointless in general. I, myself, will be playing ED and I will most likely buy SC too IF (and that's a big IF) it ever comes out. Not until then, thank you very much. These two games are not mutually exclusive (cue gasp). Enjoying one wouldn't stop me from enjoying the other. I'm not buying a car, for god's sake, it's a $50ish purchase we're talking about, not a lifetime decision.

Do you also listen to a single band or watch a single TV show and write to the publishers with ideas on how they should do it to top their competition?

EDIT: For the "What am I getting for $75?" Did you not know what you will be getting prior to purchase? If so, then you made an uninformed purchase which is totally on you. If you wanted to be part of the actual development of the game, you should have bought DDF access.
 
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I have SC and ED and I am keeping my eye on Limit Theory which is an amazing space game developed by one man.

There is no need to create threads like this. The two games are very different. ED is a complete sandbox while SC has lots of structure and story.

The release dates are far enough apart that the games will not clash with one another.

You do have the option to spend lots of money in SC and a lot of people have. They have bought thousands of dollars worth of ships. Personally I do not like this approach. They are effectively bypassing gameplay by doing this. Also if you have bought a very expensive ship you will probably not like to think about the fact that that ship could be obtained through gameplay in just a few weeks.

Many people on the forums have both games. This post seems like it is trying to generate arguments regarding the two games.

There was a huge post in off topic regarding SC that you could have added to rather than create a new post about this subject that has not only been discussed to death already but also has very little to do with Elite.
 
I spent the first 20 minutes playing SC just lying down in my ships cargo hold because I could.

I read somewhere that SC even has working toilets.
You could probably spend entire days in there.
All kidding aside, it may not have been a wise decision to include this observation in your post, you'll catch a lot of flak on this one. :)

On the realism of the two games, well...they are games.
Games are mainly used for escaping the every day realities.
If it plays good, looks -moderately- nice and provides entertainment, you have a succesfull game as far as I'm concerned.
If SC provides you with that, it is a good game.

And yes, so far ED will have cost more to get into the alpha-beta than SC.
However, no one has forced any of the participants to buy into either of the two games.
If it seems worth for us to do so paying for one or both of them is a free choice.
Both games have entertainment value and that is what you pay for.
So, enjoy SC as much as you can and you can also enjoy ED.
Free choice. ;)
 
There is no SC, all you have is a tech demo of: hangar for displaying virtual assets paid with real money, tiny unbalanced P2W fake space arena with horrible controls and a half ring racing with extremely shallow gameplay.

Come back when you have a real game and we can talk.
 
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