Scared of the first wave of newbies on the game
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As we all know this is the eve learning curve.... who's up for setting the ED one higher
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These have kinda boggled my mind. Aside from flying and docking at stations which isn't even that hard...What is so hard about this game?
Mining: Find metal rings, stay away from everything that shoots
Trading: buy high supply sell high demand and go back and forth....get interdicted, boost bye
Bounty Hunting: shoot NPC bad guys for days
Piracy: The only real skill based profession to date with cargo scanning....targing the cargo bay door and then having to scoop...Then having to make a cold dock to sell it at a black market...This oddly enough is the slowest way to make money
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And in how far would that be worse than the current amount of whining?
seriously? death in ED lies just one bad decision away.
Try and think of this game from the perspective of someone who's never played it or another similar game before. ED isn't the most forgiving of games for trial and error.
I think the thing most new players find hard is working out that ED does not follow the familiar rules of other MMOs and then making the huge shift in thinking required to realise that this is how ED works.
Elite is less mainstream than Eve... Or WoW ! How can dare you compare ? Do you really think you will get complaining kiddos in that game ? If they come in, they will never leave their spawn's system !
OP i m really scared too, but i think many New comers will understand the ED way 
The thing that's hard about it at the moment is that it's got an enormously fiddly old-fashioned interface with millions of buttons and no proper manual. Once you've learned the buttons and bought an expensive joystick it's no harder than anything else. In fact, the game is more relaxing than challenging.
The whining for hand holding and safety nets all began in ernest in beta. I've not lost a single credit in trade since all the changes to trading happened. Severely dumbing it down to the point of being a sideshow at best, for if I need an injection of easy credits. I'm just waiting for the same to happen with interdiction and other fun aspects that require participation and strong will and the drive to succeed without having it all on a silver platter.
Shok.
As we all know this is the eve learning curve.... who's up for setting the ED one higher
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I don't wish to make this into a ridiculous competition for which is the hardest game to learn - I don't see "hardest game" as a title that you want to win in any case. Surely, the most important title is "Most fun to play" - but I can't see ED as a hard game to learn. Sure, it has some harsh penalties but it's fundamentally a simple game. You just have to be careful. EVE is hard to learn because it is so massive. OK, FD has more systems but EVE has more gameplay options and some of them are bewilderingly complex to learn (but logical, just as ED has internal logic).
Also, both games are infinitely easier to learn than flying the DCS A-10C simulation. I had to read the manual and follow the tutorial videos just to fire a Maverick.
Firstly I never argued it isn't niche. I just disagreed that this was a negative.
Secondly a niche market is definable and not subjective.
Thirdly it's not finished yet, Eve wasn't finished (and still isn't) on launch. I've been there, aspects such as comms, grouping and content will be improved. There will not be guilds or alliances and I think this is a good thing.
My original post was targeted at someone else not sure why you pitched in. His post made little sense a little like your inaccurate post. Please read before replying next time and make more effort to clarify your argument, as it makes little sense at the moment.
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No not really TBH
You should be aware that it's the fan's of the elite franchise that will still be here playing the game and posting on the forum long after most of the bells and whistles brigade have gone off to marvel at the latest shiny thing.
Visions tend to be elusive and often not practical to implement completely.
So you better hope their 'Vision' remains where it's favourable for you.
Either way, many 'newbies' will probably move along quite fast when content runs dry, as is what happens with every mmo, and Elite doesn't have a whole lot of it yet.
But one thing you will see is a lot of people joining the forums.
Reasons being that the forums are the only meaningful way to communicate with other players since this is barely supported in game.
Also you better hope the few die-hard elite fans will be enough to pay for server maintenance and further development of the game, keep that in mind or it might be a short lived journey trough the galaxy.
So you better hope their 'Vision' remains where it's favourable for you.
Either way, many 'newbies' will probably move along quite fast when content runs dry, as is what happens with every mmo, and Elite doesn't have a whole lot of it yet.
But one thing you will see is a lot of people joining the forums.
Reasons being that the forums are the only meaningful way to communicate with other players since this is barely supported in game.
Also you better hope the few die-hard elite fans will be enough to pay for server maintenance and further development of the game, keep that in mind or it might be a short lived journey trough the galaxy.
There is more to fear from current disenfranchised, overly negative, pessimistic and burnt out players than new players.
New players will need our help and support, and I expect a good amount of them will find it isn't for them and leave.
However, enough of them will be blown away and hooked, see the possibilities and potential.
A lot of us on the forums have been testing and playing for a long time now, and we can get rather over reactive about small issues.
New players won't have any of that, at least for a while. Compared to when I started testing in Premium Beta, the game has come along quantum leaps, and will continue to improve, so new players seeing all this for the first time, once they get over the slight learning curve, hopefully supported by better tutorials and documentation, will be fine.
The rest of us should stay positive and help and support them when possible to keep the forums as pleasant a place as they can be. Hard as it is to do that at times when faced with over the top non-constructive negativity.
New players will need our help and support, and I expect a good amount of them will find it isn't for them and leave.
However, enough of them will be blown away and hooked, see the possibilities and potential.
A lot of us on the forums have been testing and playing for a long time now, and we can get rather over reactive about small issues.
New players won't have any of that, at least for a while. Compared to when I started testing in Premium Beta, the game has come along quantum leaps, and will continue to improve, so new players seeing all this for the first time, once they get over the slight learning curve, hopefully supported by better tutorials and documentation, will be fine.
The rest of us should stay positive and help and support them when possible to keep the forums as pleasant a place as they can be. Hard as it is to do that at times when faced with over the top non-constructive negativity.
I think everyone is forgetting that ED is not a game! it's a space SIM, which means it's as close to life in space as they can possibly get.
I already find it irritating that when you buy cargo it is instantly in your cargo hold, rather than having to wait while some chap with a trolley comes along and puts it in for you.
People will always whinge at first because it's frustrating learning to fly a space ship, so much info to take in, hand to eye coordination to perfect, familiarisation of the life in space, so on and so on. If you drive a car, just remember how frustrating that was at first, and the overwhelming amount of data to assimilate.
I think FD need to make it very clear in their promotional media that this is a SIM otherwise people will buy it for the wrong reason, and will then moan and gripe because it's not what they expected !
Keep at it FD your doing a good job
I already find it irritating that when you buy cargo it is instantly in your cargo hold, rather than having to wait while some chap with a trolley comes along and puts it in for you.
People will always whinge at first because it's frustrating learning to fly a space ship, so much info to take in, hand to eye coordination to perfect, familiarisation of the life in space, so on and so on. If you drive a car, just remember how frustrating that was at first, and the overwhelming amount of data to assimilate.
I think FD need to make it very clear in their promotional media that this is a SIM otherwise people will buy it for the wrong reason, and will then moan and gripe because it's not what they expected !
Keep at it FD your doing a good job
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The main reason you should be scared of newcomers:
We've been stuck with nothing to do but endlessly replay a very difficult combat tutorial for the last two weeks.......
We've been stuck with nothing to do but endlessly replay a very difficult combat tutorial for the last two weeks.......
I don't believe the OP is saying no change, just "resist the knee jerk response to vocal feedback from the n00b plebs".
OTOH, some other poster seems to have picked up the same message from the quote above of "what? no change?".
Unfortunately, he seems to have the wrong end of the stick too and is effectively saying the OP shouldn't tell FD to ignore all the social elements of the best and most successful modern games.
Oh, so that would be Farmville and Candy Crush Saga?
From those two games (undoubtedly in the top successful games ever) I'd say that poster wants the following social interaction...
"Hey, spotted a new Mining Lode/Big Bounty Pirate/Cheap Commodity/Paint Job - click here to tell your friends on tw*tter/facepalm"
Of course the more astute will realize that within the ED world, such FTL comms would be technologically large and expensive and restricted to Station docked time (possibly just those stations orbiting an earthlike planet).
But hey, gotta put those successful social features in if you wanna be successful...!
Oh, wrong context? Exactly the point the OP was making.
Move forward true to your vision.