Oh, please, tell me, what weapons would that you could fit on a viper would be enough to make a poor wittle python with 390 strength shields, that they can recharge indefinitely, quiver in fear?
Scrap or redesign shield cell modules, they are too overpowered and trivialize PvP.
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Oh, please, tell me, what weapons would that you could fit on a viper would be enough to make a poor wittle python with 390 strength shields, that they can recharge indefinitely, quiver in fear?
darshu
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[video=youtube;WRQ52Q6UUaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRQ52Q6UUaY[/video]
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darshu
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Right because the viper cant fly faster then and outmaneuver a python.
You're welcome to pit your dumbfire viper vs my python any time.
darshu
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People claimed it wasn't possible. it clearly is and by a single viper in about 13 seconds. whats your point again ?
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I never said it wasn't possible, strawman much? That Python pilot clearly wasn't expecting a player to jump in and reacted in the worst way possible.
I would be curious to know if that python had 4 pips in shields or not. Regardless, having to use all of your hardpoints on dumbfire missiles to provide enough alpha to take down a ships shield, where any less would result in it being invincible, is ridiculous. Soon enough we'll all be exclusively flying shield potion chugging pythons and missile boats to counter them. So much for variety.
darshu
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I don't know what a strawman is but it seems to be the word of the month. Did i say you said it was ? No i didn't. The circumstances of awareness is hardly a basis of balance. It does not take a miracle to position yourself against a python while in a viper to land those hit. You can see this as the second volley was done from directly in front of the python and would be just as easy from the rear.
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Again you're welcome to try this against my Python. Either way the video proves nothing except maybe that python pilot was a little too green to be flying it.
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darshu
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What it proves is there is a counter and its skill and weapons loadouts but you can stick your head in the sand if you wish. People have been saying something like this isn't possible and have been claiming even with 5-6 vipers anacondas and python = god mode. Clearly that's not true.
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Well I can't argue with you there, but my original point was Pythons will be barely affected by the SCB change because they have excess shield buffer (don't care if spoolup is 5s), excess power (don't care about extra power draw), and excess slots (don't care about less cells/weaker cells). Meanwhile the Viper, which only has 2 useful slots for SCBs and is very power limited, will be hit hard, especially when a Python can melt a Viper's shields in less time than it takes for the SCB to spool up.
darshu
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It's only a issue if you think this game should be only skill based. The designers have stated that while they want skill to be a part of it they do not intent to balance everything to a pvp standard and there will be lopsided fights. ie ship progression.
All that proves is that a Python in the worst possible shields with zero pips can have its shields (just) removed with 28 hitting missiles.
I have a video where I hit an NPC Viper with ~20 missiles (over two staggered volleys) and still don't take down its shields.
It looks like 10 Dumbfires can take out ~2/3rds of a Vipers shields. Again we don't know how many pips the NPC is running in SYS.
Dumbfires are clearly not balanced but that's got nothing to do with Shield Cells. I strongly suspect that a Python with 4 in SYS would be able to survive more than 50 missiles.
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Every time someone makes this point, and they make it a lot, I just shake my head. When Frontier picked this title they were completely aware of both aspects of the of the name. It implies and celebrates a dangerous environment as well as referencing the original elite.
To insist that it's "just" a reference to a rank in the previous game is naive or more likely disingenuous.
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That day has come and gone, because believe it or not, before the introduction of shield cells, the sidewinder used to be a somewhat capable little ship. Nobody was upset or calling for sidewinder nerfs, despite the price difference between the two. Because if you died in a viper to a sidewinder, you got outplayed.
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