Featuring a class 20 fuel scoop and a class 22 FSD.
That would make some people happy.
That would make some people happy.
No rep here. Neither the zeal of those religiously demanding larger scoops neither posts ridiculing them help the least bit.
...asking FD for a better ship results in the same imbalanced ship design only on a larger scale. Proving that FD truly thinks that bigger is better.
I think it's pretty funny actually.
+1 for amusement. These Diamondback threads are becoming a little too super cereal for me.
Hey now, I've been telling my wife for years that size doesn't matter.
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Now if you could get "Metalslug Limo Service" on the side, with a catchy phrase like "taking you to see the Stars in style".
Oh, sorry, you are absolutely right. A 20 FSD and a 22 fuel scoop. Got the numbers mixed up.
Stretch limo version? Wow, that's cool offering fast trips to Sag A* in a luxurious limo with Champagne and …
I wonder what the exploration version of Orca would look like...
I believe both ships were in production before anyone asked, and both are priced below the asp. In what scenerio did you think it would be appropriate for either of them to outclass the asp explorer in their shared role? It does an acceptably close job for less money, but it won't be setting long-haul speed records.
As for the size matter, there is a certain size requirement to a totally autonomous system like these star ships. Even ocean vesseles need to be quite large to support extended loitering at sea, and they get to take their oxygen and gamma ray shielding for granted. Because of game mechanics the hauler and adder can be acceptable explorers, but that doesn't mean that they would be ideal, or even particularly acceptable platforms in the real world because it's like taking a single white van across antartica. The fact is that when it comes to exploring, bigger often is better.
It remains to be seen if the DBE can do anything well. If it has a role that can't be filled by a cheaper or similar priced ship, then it definitely deserves to exist. For peaceful exploration a T-6 is a much better option, at half the price, and much more survivable in the bubble with it's top notch boost speed. If and when Thargoids come out, then the DBE will likely be a very useful ship for the price. It will be basically be a more heavily armed Cobra with the same stripped down exploring speed, which frankly isn't terrible, but why would anyone pay 2M for a ship when a Cobra can do it far cheaper and always live to turn in their data?
Yeah, I don't think that boost speed is the only requirement for being more survivable. The T-6 has terrible hard point placement if you need to defend yourself.
Let me count the ways: higher jump distance, better armed, better hard point placement, better armor (not a big deal right now as modules can be sniped), and bigger fuel tank. You assume that running is always a viable option. I tend to look at it as if running isn't an option and I am mass locked, I must at least attempt to fight.
Did you read my post before responding? If you just want to argue against points I am not even making, then you're not really talking to me, you're just arguing with yourself. In which case, congratulations, you win! If you sincerely have ADD then I apologize profusely for my previous 3 sentences.
A T-6 with guns, lol. Were are you getting this stuff? Clearly the DBE is the best budget rate Anti-Thargoid ship. But as of yet, no Thargoids in the black. Just different colored balls. None of which require a class 3 pulse laser to tame.
Nice personal attack. No, what I was saying is that boost speed is only part of the equation when assessing what to buy for your explorer ship. You conveniently leave out other parts.
I take it you haven't logged into the server for 1.3 yet today. Weapons don't just have to be used against Thargoids. I wish my Asp (I'm going to Wolf 406 Right now) had weapons so I could have dispatched the annoying DBS that I got interdicted by just now. That thing is fast and very annoying.
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Actually I didn't leave anything out. My whole argument was centered around aggressive power play AI (ie non-Thargoid) threats. I have been saying this same thing for days on the forums: The DBE's only option for defense when inside the bubble is to fight. How well it can do this isn't important because in an explorer ship that is generally a VERY bad idea to pick a fight. The only exception would be aggressive Thargoids.
Is it clear now?
That is not what you said.
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Do you not get the point I was making? The DBE is a better combat platform than the T6. Running is not always an option for explorers and the combat ability of the T6 is laughable. I also pointed out the areas the DBE is superior to the Cobra. All of which is important when deciding what ship to either keep, sell, or purchase. Is it clear now?
If you are going to talk about the ships at least be intellectually honest about it... I know this is the internet and that is in short supply, but really I mean come on. Your continued posts only serve to show me that you have NOT logged in and played 1.3 today yet. You will get interdicted in the systems but small, fast combat craft and most likely they will be in a wing. You can't deliver your data if you are dead.
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The power of Photoshop is strong with this one.
Maybe you are unaware that a T-6 can boost to 406 which is as fast enough to escape anything except a CMDR in a Cobra or a DBS, if they are very quick. If you know how to navigate quickly and boost, an AI will never catch you. So a T-6 is safe as houses and almost never has any need to fight at all. Likewise with a Cobra explorer, obviously.
I completely get the point you're making. It is not a relevant point however because you can pick ships where you never need to fight. If you pick a ship that can fight but is also forced to fight, that is not really any kind of advantage. That is just a requirement. More to the point, if you spec it so that it can win most fights, then it suddenly becomes a very mediocre explorer ship with only a 29LY jump range. The fact that it can fight half way decently is interesting, but it's not a benefit to exploring or to staying alive in the bubble.
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70i,5TP5Rr5Rr0_g0_g0Wg0Wg,2-6Q6Q7_5K6Q5K8I,7RA4_w7fE2jw2UI
And finally, picking a ship where you are forced to fight is the same as picking a fight. If you have 10s of millions in CR in your ship, it is abysmally foolish to pick a fight. Again the only exception to this is Thargoids which would be the whole point of exploring if they existed in the game, imo. But they don't.
Hopefully this was easy to understand and provided useful information. There is nothing more I can add to this discussion so...
I completely get the point you're making. It is not a relevant point however because you can pick ships where you never need to fight. If you pick a ship that can fight but is also forced to fight, that is not really any kind of advantage. That is just a requirement. More to the point, if you spec it so that it can win most fights, then it suddenly becomes a very mediocre explorer ship with only a 29LY jump range. The fact that it can fight half way decently is interesting, but it's not a benefit to exploring or to staying alive in the bubble.
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70i,5TP5Rr5Rr0_g0_g0Wg0Wg,2-6Q6Q7_5K6Q5K8I,7RA4_w7fE2jw2UI
And finally, picking a ship where you are forced to fight is the same as picking a fight. If you have 10s of millions in CR in your ship, it is abysmally foolish to pick a fight. Again the only exception to this is Thargoids which would be the whole point of exploring if they existed in the game, imo. But they don't.
Hopefully this was easy to understand and provided useful information. There is nothing more I can add to this discussion so...
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