if you know anything about games like call of duty or destiny you would know that that is not even remotely true. Artificial grinds are the bread-and-butter of crappy developers when it comes to retaining players.
Serious Question: Are you (Fdev) only going to listen to players who defend every action you do, or actually take suggestions?
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I've played those games, yes. The first Destiny I completed, including all the DLCs. I enjoyed it. I never got into Destiny 2, so stopped playing it (and didn't buy any DLCs). Maybe if all players would do similar when they stop enjoying a game, game developers would take note. Again, I have no sympathy for players that "grind" instead of finding a game they can play and enjoy.
Believe it or not it's possible to love and enjoy this game and still have a major issue with Fleet Carriers only being reasonably attainable by a small portion of the playerbase.
Yeah sometimes Fdev listens and adjusts some parameters in the game but be honest with me...
If Fdev truly knew their playerbase can you understand the fact that they thought that FCs, as they are, is what ED needed in order to enrich the game and make it more fun, to a lot of players I might add?
I surely can't grasp that they thought this was what ED needed while in the meantime they canceled features that did find support by a lot of players.
If Fdev truly knew their playerbase can you understand the fact that they thought that FCs, as they are, is what ED needed in order to enrich the game and make it more fun, to a lot of players I might add?
I surely can't grasp that they thought this was what ED needed while in the meantime they canceled features that did find support by a lot of players.
Well, obviously every disagreement has two sides. The correct side as voiced by the OP or the evil side as voiced by the:
Gankers
Murder Hobos
Care Bears
Try Hards
White Knights
Casuals
Immersion Bro’s
Role Play Weirdos
Gimbal Scrubs
Combat Loggers
Angry Old Men
and on and on.
There are things I’d like to see changed. There are things I doubt will work as I wanted. There are things I really like. I don’t fit your catagory simply because I don’t join your rant that if it isn’t the way you like it, it’s wrong.
Gankers
Murder Hobos
Care Bears
Try Hards
White Knights
Casuals
Immersion Bro’s
Role Play Weirdos
Gimbal Scrubs
Combat Loggers
Angry Old Men
and on and on.
There are things I’d like to see changed. There are things I doubt will work as I wanted. There are things I really like. I don’t fit your catagory simply because I don’t join your rant that if it isn’t the way you like it, it’s wrong.
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Almost all always-online games have these types of mechanics.
Elite is rather unusual that it's lasted this long without them present.
Yes, the Carriers are likely designed as a "motivation mechanic" and the fact they are out of reach for many is no doubt quite deliberate.
Again, this is extreextremely common in always-online gaming and yes, Elite is bound by the same needs as any other example, in order to keep running.
Very true. Frontier may have a problem with this if the community collectedly decides that Fleet Carriers are not worth grinding for.
It's obvious the OP is expressing their thoughts the wrong way, but I'm guessing that's what they're trying to tell Frontier.
In the past on the few time Frontier does actually listen to the players, they've been smart enough to ignore inappropriate temperament.
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Criticize anything in the the game and you will have the same brain dead knights call you a "whiner, that wants everything your own way", or "can i haz your stuff" or "dont like it dont play" or "get gud", the typical asinine, ad hominem replies.
Every forum board has them. Usually, these people have a obsession with constantly checking the forum. They are fanatics.
When you become obsessed with something you develop a bias. Usually this involves defending everything that is negative towards your obsession.
Every forum board has them. Usually, these people have a obsession with constantly checking the forum. They are fanatics.
When you become obsessed with something you develop a bias. Usually this involves defending everything that is negative towards your obsession.
I'm not really sure what you're even saying here. You are saying that all online games are deliberately conning their players into doing things they don't enjoy (which was what I was challenging)?
Or could it be that developers are simply responding to the activities that humans actually participate in, and introducing features/requirements based on that?
Again, if a player is stupid enough to continue playing a game that they don't enjoy, there is zero blame on the developer.
Exactly this. OP give up on this Forum. Mayhem has described exactly what happens here.
TBH, the subreddit allows a far wider and fairer representation of the players' feelings about the game. Check out this massive thread from yesterday: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/fu5f3l/once_again_fleet_carriers_have_revealed_the_core/?sort=confidence
This forum has become a place where the same 20 people throw the same 5 arguments at each other, at all time.
If someone new starts a thread, it usually just takes some time to be hijacked by the same 20 people again, talking about their same 5 topics. It's no wonder so many people are repelled by this monoculture.
If someone new starts a thread, it usually just takes some time to be hijacked by the same 20 people again, talking about their same 5 topics. It's no wonder so many people are repelled by this monoculture.
They need to take on board people's concerns and be prepared to make amendments. But I think anyone asking for major changes is dreaming. About the best we can hope for is tweaks to some of the numbers, like cost, maintenance, fuel cap, range etc. I doubt they have time to make fundamental changes to the actual gameplay now (they're working from home etc) so unless people want another 6-12 month delay, we're getting what was shown imo.
Until we actually get our hands on the thing i don't think we can get too outraged.
BINGO!
The solution is to suggest compromise and improvements rather that complain, and to ignore most of the people who post daily (they do it to feel important and have little interest in ED).
An example would be refuleing of FC, allow a mod that generated fuel slowly, people who want to jump fast would need other Cmdrs to help mine (say in an hour to match CD) while a Cmdr could do it solo of they wish (in a few days), or you could wait (a week maybe).
Another example would be selling cartographic data, add the option but make it 50% return (or some other fraction). This would make it useful but only if you were many hours from the bubble.
Another example would be upkeep, have some calculation of what profit the FC works get from NPCs taken into account i.e. if you are in the bubble and offer refuel near major trade route and allow all to dock you get more than the same location but only squadron docking allowed. Or if you are at the other side of the galaxy your commodities module makes you no money but you're repair module makes you some. It could be balanced to make youa small profit in the bubble and a small loss outside, but less than the 10M if you allow all to dock and have logical (useful to others) modules active.
See, three suggestions to improve, no complaints. No doubt those who post every day will find something to complain about, they need to feel important and saying "I agree, good point" just doesn't cut it.
An example would be refuleing of FC, allow a mod that generated fuel slowly, people who want to jump fast would need other Cmdrs to help mine (say in an hour to match CD) while a Cmdr could do it solo of they wish (in a few days), or you could wait (a week maybe).
Another example would be selling cartographic data, add the option but make it 50% return (or some other fraction). This would make it useful but only if you were many hours from the bubble.
Another example would be upkeep, have some calculation of what profit the FC works get from NPCs taken into account i.e. if you are in the bubble and offer refuel near major trade route and allow all to dock you get more than the same location but only squadron docking allowed. Or if you are at the other side of the galaxy your commodities module makes you no money but you're repair module makes you some. It could be balanced to make youa small profit in the bubble and a small loss outside, but less than the 10M if you allow all to dock and have logical (useful to others) modules active.
See, three suggestions to improve, no complaints. No doubt those who post every day will find something to complain about, they need to feel important and saying "I agree, good point" just doesn't cut it.
Port compromise for jump cd, allow faster jumps but have an effecincy penalty. E.g You can jump after ln mins but only 250ly for full fuel use and scale up to 500ly after two hours (treating the cd and warm up times together). Quite simple and you can rush if you want, it would be tailored to let you go a given distance faster but at a higher cost.
In Fdev's defence, they listen to and respond to hysteria and bad publicity, the kind of things that get picked up by games publications.
In case of fleet carriers, they were announced way back when for squadrons-only, it was explained this was due to the server overheads of each one means we cant all have one.
Solo players went ape at this, since they would have to make friends to get a FC. Thats not what they signed up for, they paid the same as everyone else, and deserve what they want.
Fdev went back to the drawing board. It seems the server changes they made in the last patch werent as effective as we mightve hoped, and they still need another way to keep the FC numbers down. They tried keeping carriers for squadrons only. Denied. Now theyve gone for the alternative, which is to make them a grind fest. Either way wouldve kept the FC numbers affordable for Fdev.
They tried a non-grind route first of all, and the angry reaction from the forums may have ruined things for everyone, since FCs seem no good for anyone, except perhaps miners, who have already ground their way to a FC by mining so dont need one.
It would be good for all if people would stop trying to be the spiritual shepherds of Elite, and recognise that one development for one playstyle doesnt mean the whole game suddenly slides down a slippery slope into the bin. We can continue to co-exist, and all benefit if we dont seek to torpedo anything that doesnt benefit us directly.
Also, with the greatest of respect possible given what i'm about to say, watching the livestream it occured that Dav looks like equal-parts Gary Oldman in Leon, and Gandalf the Grey. Gary the Grey? Some sort of benevolent wise old evil psychopath with an amphetamine problem, who sees through the world in ways we never could. And shoots the hero in the back. With a big stick. (Spoiler)
In case of fleet carriers, they were announced way back when for squadrons-only, it was explained this was due to the server overheads of each one means we cant all have one.
Solo players went ape at this, since they would have to make friends to get a FC. Thats not what they signed up for, they paid the same as everyone else, and deserve what they want.
Fdev went back to the drawing board. It seems the server changes they made in the last patch werent as effective as we mightve hoped, and they still need another way to keep the FC numbers down. They tried keeping carriers for squadrons only. Denied. Now theyve gone for the alternative, which is to make them a grind fest. Either way wouldve kept the FC numbers affordable for Fdev.
They tried a non-grind route first of all, and the angry reaction from the forums may have ruined things for everyone, since FCs seem no good for anyone, except perhaps miners, who have already ground their way to a FC by mining so dont need one.
It would be good for all if people would stop trying to be the spiritual shepherds of Elite, and recognise that one development for one playstyle doesnt mean the whole game suddenly slides down a slippery slope into the bin. We can continue to co-exist, and all benefit if we dont seek to torpedo anything that doesnt benefit us directly.
Also, with the greatest of respect possible given what i'm about to say, watching the livestream it occured that Dav looks like equal-parts Gary Oldman in Leon, and Gandalf the Grey. Gary the Grey? Some sort of benevolent wise old evil psychopath with an amphetamine problem, who sees through the world in ways we never could. And shoots the hero in the back. With a big stick. (Spoiler)
Who cares about context, when in isolation this is so wonderful.
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