Server side ninja nerfs.

Shads · Feb 4, 2015

I posted this thread this morning.....

I like the fact that a lot of this game can be changed server side without us having to wait for a patch but it also means lots of things can change without anyone knowing exactly what has been changed. E.g. the recent nerf to trading. We really need a separate section on the patch notes forum dedicated to server side changes.

So how come it got moved to here

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with the issue I was highlighting. Please at least read the content of a post before moving it Mods. I'm trying to raise the issue of unannounced changes to the game without any patch notes or explanation.

ollobrains · Feb 4, 2015

because youre complaints about the trading nerf were instead merely a resetting of the trading simulation towards a DYNAMIC simulation. Easy mode has been taken off so they were right to move it

aeshec · Feb 4, 2015

We really do need some sort of communication for changes this big. I definitely agree.

Belsameth · Feb 4, 2015

Indeed. As I stated somewhere else, its not like online games are new. You'd expect devs to have learned communication is important by now.

ollobrains · Feb 4, 2015

Belsameth said:
Indeed. As I stated somewhere else, its not like online games are new. You'd expect devs to have learned communication is important by now.

this was merely a correction to how markets worked, learn to i dunno move out of the core and explore the universe perhaps

Shads · Feb 4, 2015

ollobrains said:
this was merely a correction to how markets worked, learn to i dunno move out of the core and explore the universe perhaps

<sigh> its not about the changes to trading its about unannounced changes. Sorry I cant dumb it down any more than that.

Loskene · Feb 4, 2015

Belsameth said:
Indeed. As I stated somewhere else, its not like online games are new. You'd expect devs to have learned communication is important by now.

I'm starting to think they dived into this project without ever stopping to ask if they're actually able for it. Have frontier ever made an online game before? Do they have experience with persistent universes, dynamic, player-driven events and economies? Do they have the framework and experience to deal with the community aspect of it all?
I really hope the answers to those questions and the other few that I don't want to ask are "yes" and they're not just blowing smoke up our bums.

ollobrains · Feb 4, 2015

Shads said:
<sigh> its not about the changes to trading its about unannounced changes. Sorry I cant dumb it down any more than that.

they dont have to annouce every little thing they do, its much more fun watching the forums explode when chnages are made

salad · Feb 4, 2015

Loskene said:
I'm starting to think they dived into this project without ever stopping to ask if they're actually able for it. Have frontier ever made an online game before? Do they have experience with persistent universes, dynamic, player-driven events and economies? Do they have the framework and experience to deal with the community aspect of it all?

It doesn't take much to realize that ED is a huge step for Frontier, I don't think they ever dealed with this much everything in any of their other games. Which is why I they they are doing a pretty decent job at it, people are just too used to "MMO-Tier" devs.

Belsameth · Feb 4, 2015

Shads said:
<sigh> its not about the changes to trading its about unannounced changes. Sorry I cant dumb it down any more than that.

No! You're all wrong. They should just trhow a dice and make random changes whenwever they want! Its for the good of the game!

ollobrains · Feb 4, 2015

Belsameth said:
No! You're all wrong. They should just trhow a dice and make random changes whenwever they want! Its for the good of the game!

here here unannouced random changes is what makes elite well dangerous and the forums full of over the top threads.

Hitsuke · Feb 4, 2015

ollobrains said:
because youre complaints about the trading nerf were instead merely a resetting of the trading simulation towards a DYNAMIC simulation. Easy mode has been taken off so they were right to move it

"Easy mode" That i'm sure you made the most of at some stage. Alas... like most people on here, you've probably made your cash from it now and can sit back gloating with smug satisfaction. Knowing that the nerf won't effect the few hundred million you have doing nothing in your bank.

CrazyH0rse · Feb 4, 2015

Yeah - the trade route I've been running just collapsed over the course of a couple of runs in a T9.

And what about the race to triple elite? Is that reset now? It should be... as it's hardly fair... unless it's been won already?

Skip Intro · Feb 4, 2015

CrazyH0rse said:
Yeah - the trade route I've been running just collapsed over the course of a couple of runs in a T9.

And what about the race to triple elite? Is that reset now? It should be... as it's hardly fair... unless it's been won already?

Trading Elite staus was reached a little while ago, target was just over 1.1 Billion Cr, I think.

Derath · Feb 4, 2015

CrazyH0rse said:
Yeah - the trade route I've been running just collapsed over the course of a couple of runs in a T9.

And what about the race to triple elite? Is that reset now? It should be... as it's hardly fair... unless it's been won already?

They haven't announced a winner so perhaps they are waiting for all 4 prizes to be won but I honestly can't see this still being an issue, I could have been elite combat mid January but realistically there is always someone with more time than you and I didn't have the time myself to commit to it. I know there has been a decent number of traders hitting elite, however I can't say whether they were open only or not as most players have swapped to solo at some point or other.

I can't help but think that while this might screw it slightly if it hasn't already been won, this is how the game was meant to be in the first place without the ability to grind all 1bil on one trade route.

tdquasar · Feb 4, 2015

They should honestly announce every change that affects players. Period.

aeshec · Feb 4, 2015

tdquasar said:
They should honestly announce every change that affects players. Period.

Well especially this big of one.

Loskene · Feb 4, 2015

tdquasar said:
They should honestly announce every change that affects players. Period.

Well that's supposed to be the function of a changelog but they don't seem to think serverside changes warrant any inclusion for some bizarre reason.

aeshec · Feb 4, 2015

Conspiracy Ninja!

Kayweg · Feb 4, 2015

Skip Intro said:
Trading Elite staus was reached a little while ago, target was just over 1.1 Billion Cr, I think.

The one guy i saw posting his Trade Elite status wasn't eligible for the contest, either he still carried gamma progress or he didn't do it all in open play.

He said so himself in that thread.

I am not aware that the Elite Trade rank has been achieved yet within the rules of the competition.

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Loskene said:
Well that's supposed to be the function of a changelog but they don't seem to think serverside changes warrant any inclusion for some bizarre reason.

And yet, they DO post server side changes. In fact they did so yesterday, but nothing about the trading...and that's what's a bit disappointing, the "hush hush".