Patch Notes Update Server Update - 11.06.2015

[CMDR Beltane]

Hi Michael,

thanks for the effort so far and the explanation at hand. Still, one question - in case Kappa Fornacis was successfull as you stated, why isn't it shown in the Torval Overview? Torval was the most advanced power there and, with more than 800 CC should have had no problems to be able to afford it. If you are still adjusting, don't mind my question. If not, please check again. Having only three systems seems way to low for Torval, even taking factors like not fortified systems that have default costs into consideration - especially as it was defined as success.

Cheers,
Beltane

 

[ScoobyPoo]

15 > 15.4

Never forget

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

Michael: Capsatsuria and Grovichun are 15.4ly away from each other. Can you please explain in simple terms how they can be in each others radii?

From what has been written about PP the SYSTEM ITSELF needs to be in the other system's expansion radius, and not the two radii simply being overlapped that would cause a preperation to fail.

pretty much this.

 

[Kermit Laphroaig]

So we do it well in Kamokan and Lakluita and we loose Lakluita... So new rules in the middle of the match. /clap

More like 'unmentioned' rules and the game ended before the final quarter could be paid

 

[Michael Brookes]

Michael: Capsatsuria and Grovichun are 15.4ly away from each other. Can you please explain in simple terms how they can be in each others radii?

From what has been written about PP the SYSTEM ITSELF needs to be in the other system's expansion radius, and not the two radii simply being overlapped that would cause a preperation to fail.

We've re-checked and that is indeed the case, so we'll update to account for this.

Michael

 

[Michael Brookes]

Hi Michael,

thanks for the effort so far and the explanation at hand. Still, one question - in case Kappa Fornacis was successfull as you stated, why isn't it shown in the Torval Overview? Torval was the most advanced power there and, with more than 800 CC should have had no problems to be able to afford it. If you are still adjusting, don't mind my question. If not, please check again. Having only three systems seems way to low for Torval, even taking factors like not fortified systems that have default costs into consideration - especially as it was defined as success.

Cheers,
Beltane

So this was missed in the data update and we'll include it shortly.

Michael

 

[Brokenstorm]

We then look at systems within exploitation radii of each other we take the most prepared systems and eliminate the others as Control systems cannot be contested and it is easier to eliminate them at this early stage.

I'll ask again.

LFT 37 (Sucessful) and Kappa Phoenicis (failed) were both Torval prep system. Therefore they didn't contest each other.
Should both preparation have succeeded?

 

[Harfang]

We worked all all day Lakluita! To be punished for a bug is inadmissible. We owe compensation

 

[RingoD123]

So this was missed in the data update and we'll include it shortly.

Michael

what about Aislings missing 400-600 extra CC she should have this cycle? looks like she has exactly the same available CC as she did before it ticked over.

 

[Maccus]

You team needs to do another audit, because there are some serious, and I mean, serious mistakes made towards all the powers. Hudson's got systems he never even had a stake in, other systems are ignored, and a lot of hard work from this past week has been for nothing. Nothing. If we're wrong, it's only because the Powerplay guides and manuals aren't clearly worded enough. However, we had people do the math, go over every inch of the manuals and guides, front to back multiple times, and we were certain that we understood that this was how the system worked... and it's not working. Not just EIC members, but we talked with other groups to make sure that we understood the system just as well as them.

I refuse to believe that so many of us are wrong about how the system works. If this is the case, then you have to rewrite your guides and make this stuff even clearer, because it's about as clear as coffee made with swamp water right now. Also, expect quite a few tickets from EIC members asking for refunds on hundreds of millions of credits wasted in what we perceived as unopposed expansions into multiple systems that we're not getting. Especially since our hard work seems to be going to Hudson on Kappa Fornacis.

 

[Sly]

So this was missed in the data update and we'll include it shortly.

Michael

Was this higher than Patreus' prep in Picaurukan? It was when I went to bed but we were making a final push for it. Also, why didn't Patreus get an expansion in Mandh? It was leading Lao Zi last I checked.

 

[WorldsaStage]

So this was missed in the data update and we'll include it shortly.

Michael

Thank you so much!

 

[Sly]

You team needs to do another audit, because there are some serious, and I mean, serious mistakes made towards all the powers. Hudson's got systems he never even had a stake in, other systems are ignored, and a lot of hard work from this past week has been for nothing. Nothing. If we're wrong, it's only because the Powerplay guides and manuals aren't clearly worded enough. However, we had people do the math, go over every inch of the manuals and guides, front to back multiple times, and we were certain that we understood that this was how the system worked... and it's not working. Not just EIC members, but we talked with other groups to make sure that we understood the system just as well as them.

I refuse to believe that so many of us are wrong about how the system works. If this is the case, then you have to rewrite your guides and make this stuff even clearer, because it's about as clear as coffee made with swamp water right now. Also, expect quite a few tickets from EIC members asking for refunds on hundreds of millions of credits wasted in what we perceived as unopposed expansions into multiple systems that we're not getting. Especially since our hard work seems to be going to Hudson on Kappa Fornacis.

Agreed. The mistakes with Torval's Power are only the most obvious because more people are noticing it, but there are errors all over the place.

 

[CMDR Beltane]

I'll ask again.

LFT 37 (Sucessful) and Kappa Phoenicis (failed) were both Torval prep system. Therefore they didn't contest each other.
Should both preparation have succeeded?

Pretty much this, Torval should have at least one more system in its expansion list. Either Kappa Fornacis or Kappa Phoenicis. In both cases Torval was top on the expansion list, and at least one of those 2 should have been affordable.

 

[CMDR Mirrcat]

We've re-checked and that is indeed the case, so we'll update to account for this.

Michael

what about Aislings missing 400-600 extra CC she should have this cycle? looks like she has exactly the same available CC as she did before it ticked over.

Thank you so much for taking another look at the cycle! I really hope the missing CC for Aisling gets looked into as well. Then again, the numbers for many powers seem to be off... Edmund Mahon, senator Patreus, and Li Yong-Rui also seem to have lower CC than would be expected from their numbers.

 

[Kermit Laphroaig]

Agreed. The mistakes with Torval's Power are only the most obvious because more people are noticing it, but there are errors all over the place.

Cartoi, the No. 1 system Aisling prepped, isn't showing as a blob of white, but I'm not sure if that was intended. It's also kissing Arissa's purple blob which is alarming, just a bit.

Also, Cartoi is show as expansion but I think that's ok?

 

[NeoTron]

I'll ask again.

LFT 37 (Sucessful) and Kappa Phoenicis (failed) were both Torval prep system. Therefore they didn't contest each other.
Should both preparation have succeeded?

So it seems like two expansion systems from the same power also can't be within the 15 ly radius? In this case Kappa Phoenicis is actually in the sphere of LFT 37.

Overall there seems to be a severe lack of clarity for things like this in the UI. Is it a bug that two expansion systems from the same power can't overlap?

 

[Galerna]

I worked last days in KAMOCAN and LAKLUITA, so many hours, 70.000.000cr spend in the 2 systems. This morning i woke up and expanded LAKLUITA.
Now you throw on the ground our effort.
We owe compensation and the promise that these capricious decisions will not happen again.

CMDR Galerna.

 

[Greeboski]

what about the phiage system ? it is being incorectly exploited (thus affecting the pp) from a seperate bug shortly before the 1.3.00 pp update.

 

[Icaro]

Dear Sirs, with all due respect I need to reply to this awful decision that Ive seen in any SANDBOX game, I will explain why:

1. This game is a SANDBOX, that means that the motivation to enjoy the game is the freedom to work hard to secure our communities, the interference from the developers on the actions of the players inside the game according to the rules is a GRAVE MISTAKE and totally unfair.

2. The effort to create a proper tactical situation favorable to the expansion of our POWER need LOTS of HOURS, LOST of CASH and DEDICATION that you may not compensate with credits or Merits Back, and the dissatisfaction caused on many people will cause several of them to consider that this game is managed by the developers, I dont think this is a good way to manage the Illusion and Efforts of your clients.

Solution: If you want to be fair we think the only solution is a ROLLBACK, as is always done in the Fair and Serious servers all over the gaming world. And now include that no system could be prepared inside the preparation of another system.

Please try to be fair and give your customers the right to decide and block future conflicts on the server.