None of the ships I fly regularly use SCB's...
But then, bar the FDL & Mamba they all have utility beyond just combat
Shield Booster Diminishing Returns- Stop the Stack
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But then, bar the FDL & Mamba they all have utility beyond just combat
That's the sort of pew pew I could get interested in.
Being godlike among NPCs happens in MMOs and it's not a problem, it's the reward for unlocking good stuff. In Lord of the Rings Online I have raid gear so in landscape PvE play I pull orcs at least four at a time, just to give my armour something to do while slaying them one by one. If I want challenge I'm intended to go for "Signature" or "Boss" NPCs. (Elite offers those too).
On the other hand, in PvP play people want an even and interesting match.
The two kinds of play are very different. I don't think ED has or can succeed in integrating them. That's why every discussion of balance issues swirls down into the black hole of familiar debate.
On the other hand, in PvP play people want an even and interesting match.
The two kinds of play are very different. I don't think ED has or can succeed in integrating them. That's why every discussion of balance issues swirls down into the black hole of familiar debate.
Me, I have no interest in serious PvP - I'll leave that to those who are actively interested.
But, for straight up sillyness it is at the top of the chart... Sideys are good, Haulers are hilarious and Eagles (both variants) amazing! (Vipers are in a class of their own - 'serious stuff' - most of the times we played with them it was crashing into each other that more often 'ended the match'
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I like CQC for that. The only PvP I'll ever do. Fast, fun and zero consequence to getting killed, except obviously the match score.Me, I have no interest in serious PvP - I'll leave that to those who are actively interested.
But, for straight up sillyness it is at the top of the chart... Sideys are good, Haulers are hilarious and Eagles (both variants) amazing! (Vipers are in a class of their own - 'serious stuff' - most of the times we played with them it was crashing into each other that more often 'ended the match'
I don't understand why it isn't more popular - VR also adds a little to CQC flying through the structures.
I think I'm almost in double figures for kills... Triple for deaths, of course
And the PvErs want everything "buffed" because they aren't powerful enough
Both sides are guilty of a certain "I want haz mine" I'd say
In the current thermal conduit era skillbooster stacking is not really a problem anymore. 3000 MJ shields are nothing, they just melt like butter, not even cascade rails are absolutely necessary.
Some people are complaining about shields only because they don't know how to deal damage.
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The classic answer is that it is always empty. If you could fight NPCs in it as the "waiting room" or an actual match it would probably be easier to reach a quorum.I don't understand why it isn't more popular - VR also adds a little to CQC flying through the structures.
I think I'm almost in double figures for kills... Triple for deaths, of course
I didn't experience that, but CQC kept crashing in VR. Shame really, that and a rebuy-capped unengineered friendly are the only times PvP has been fun for me.
Engineering experimentals / heat management in the main game are fun, though, but I don't know if you could successfully integrate them into CQC to increase build diversity- I suspect it would fall to one META in the end.
OP: "Shield point inflation is locking everyone into one shield/weapon config, and even that takes 8 minutes minimum"
Your response: "It's not a problem, just use that one shield/weapon config"
Two willing participants in a PvP match can limit themselves to whatever makes the battle last the amount of time they want. Problem solved. It's not Frontier's problem.
If we're not talking about willing participants, then long live the shield boost!
If we're not talking about willing participants, then long live the shield boost!
It would be likely, it happens in the main game already.
No, my response was that it did not take 8 minutes minimum.
Ah, fair enough, I haven't sat down and checked the OPs numbers.
That still does lock you in to a particular weapon config, though, doesn't it? Or are you saying that plenty of builds compare in DPS to thermal conduit and would have the shields down soon?
I can't hit anything in a PA FdL because it's too jittery for my taste.
Now if a Dropship were viable in PvP, I maaaaybe could deal enough damage
Most importantly it highlights that thermal conduit would have to get looked at for balancing as well if anything was to be done about booster stacking, to prevent it from becoming too op.
1. Just get rid of Prismatics. Because to state the obvious all these mega shield tanks use Prismatics. Stacking boosters on Bi-Weave or regular shield builds is OK.
2. What else are you going to put in utility slots? Let's face it Boosters are the only really useful item. So give us some better utilities OR make missiles better so it's worth packing PD etc. etc.
3. Reduce the effect of Chaff on gimbaled weapons*. I know this contradicts my above statement but if you make Gimbaled wep's more effective then you allow shields to be taken down quicker.
* This could be done through engineering. I'm surprised it isn't already really.
2. What else are you going to put in utility slots? Let's face it Boosters are the only really useful item. So give us some better utilities OR make missiles better so it's worth packing PD etc. etc.
3. Reduce the effect of Chaff on gimbaled weapons*. I know this contradicts my above statement but if you make Gimbaled wep's more effective then you allow shields to be taken down quicker.
* This could be done through engineering. I'm surprised it isn't already really.
There is always a meta.
Indeed so...
Naturally, if the current META was 'nerfed' somehow a new one would rise from the ashes... Then a little later the cries of 'nerf the META' would once again be heard
Engineering is the cancer of this game. Not only does it infest PvP - the powercreep seeped into PvE as well and made engineered the new standard. Additional roadblock to just play the very basic game - grind to play or shoot your peashooters at buff enemies.