You're here long enough to know better. But you do you.
ship interiors - will they happen
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Classic cheap B* argument XD"I'm under attack and I want to get away and it's taking me 30 seconds to run to the top of my Anaconda because it's now 1:1 scale of my ship and I need to run through ever door"
He's not wrong
If you spent even 1 minute objectively thinking about it, you'd come to the obvious conclusion that you could just be ...
... ported back to helm via telepresence when taking damage? ...
Did that ever occure to you XD? It should have because it was posted even here in this forum multiple times XD
But why bother with such if we can just ignore it for the sake of the argument right
PS:
I honestly hope it won't ... Unlike some others here, I dare say to be actually trying to argue FOR Elite XD
Not against it ... And if you think that Ship Interiors are confined to this little forum here ... you should think again ...
Not even close - interiors would be a total overhaul.
If all you want to do is look around the cockpit...we already have that?
I'm not asking for ELW...just denser atmospheres
I'm not against ship interiors...So you want actual atmo. Planets more than Ship Interiors!
FINE!
TOTALLY FINE! Unlike certain other ppl, I will not go on a crusade against <Insert Featue A here> JUST so I might increase my chances for <Insert Featue B here> XD
I always said: If FDev should decide to do actual atmo. Planets first! 100% FINE!
BUT:
You should be very aware that what you just said, is just complete B*.
Because you know what happend the last time FDev added "Just more of what we already have" to Elite in terms of Planet-World Generation?
It was called Odyssey and it almost broke ALL of Planet-Generation. With the surface-tearing-issue being persistent to THIS DAY!
And Frontier already having given up on any attempt to fix it because they essentially confessed that it would simply be too hard ...
...
A simple tearing-issue on the planets surfaces ... [And here you ask for actual atmo. Planets(While arguing they would be easier than Ship Interiors
)]
NOW!
Would it be impossible to fix? OFC NOT! With enough time and money, some say nothing is impossible
OR we could ofc settle for what ACTUALLY is already there => a few more barnacle-variants, a few more Skimmer-variants ... maybe a few more Sky-colors and buildings.
If that qualifies as actual atmo. Planets for you, guess then it actually might be easier
So:
What this comes down to is that Actual atmo. Planets would be SIGNIFICANTLY harder to develop than Ship Interiors, even most anti-Ship-Interiors agree on that.
And furthermore, they would be SIGNIFICANTLY harder to monetize XD While for Ship Interiors, you could earn a fortune by selling Arx-Store Decorations
E.g. Warframe ... No such option for actual atmo. Planets.
And you say that Ship Interiors would "require a complete remake of all the ships in the game",
... which is once again just B*.
To keep it simple, you could ACTUALLY use "Just more of what we already have" here, by simply using and re-using the already existing interior-designs for the cockpits themselvs and just expand on them! Seperate them with loading-screens to minimize the chances for technical hurdles and feel free to REUSE a lot of them for a lot of Ships
And that would be it :/
"With enough time and money, some say nothing is impossible" Yes, But it would just be a MASSIVE amount of work and the end result would get very boring very quickly (multi-crew springs to mind) Also remember - Elite is almost 11 years old.
"re-using the already existing interior-designs for the cockpits themselvs and just expand on them" IS the work.
Using "loading-screens to minimize the chances for technical hurdles" would be impossible while in-flight and would suck.
Yes I know all about that - but that was 12 years ago - we have much more recent updates from FDev...and unfortunately...it's a nope.
It's not hard to understand.
I'm very sorry but FDev have said no.
How about - "ship interiors will not be included at launch" (direct quote that indicates they were not planned)
You can choose to believe whatever you want...But unless you have very solid evidence, I expect only what FDev have confirmed. The burden of evidence is on you, not me.
You see - we have had this conversation so many times on these forums...it is starting to get irritating.
After many discussion in this thread - there is no need for total overhaul. Discussion were with people who understand game development, have knowledge and experience.
You were quoting my message with comparison to ELW...
'just denser atmosphere' is easier. Not just particles as you've assumed earlier, but yes, easier. If all you want is the same planets with the same gameplay as we have now, but with denser atmosphere - it is easier.
I see, ok
Yes. There is an evidence to support what I choose to believe. You don't want to provide anything for you choice of NO - fine.
Yes, it does get irritating to repeat the same thing. All the answers to what you said and asked about are in this thread. Look for them or don't. Agree or not. Up to you.
With the later comment, on stream, by Arf that interiors are not planned, said 3 times, in the video linked a page or so ago, with nothing said since to give any hint that the stance may have changed, there is no evidence, just a desire, surely?
But, with how close FD hold their cards to their chest, if such a massive update was going to happen, we should know about it a couple of years before the PDLC arrived, so all the hopefuls need do is wait for the teaser, then start counting down.
I did not say that the forum is representative.
You claim that the FDev forum is 'definitely not the best platform' is based on which facts? What is 'the best platform'?
Therefore, I think my comment was misunderstood by you. Please re-read.
Well, denser atmospheres are not really a "big feature", defenately a biggER feature though.
This comes down to term defenition, when I speak about actual atmo. Planets, I consider some form of ELW as included.
Otherwise, what really is the selling point XD
Denser atmospheres alone would be a nice-to-have for sure but they wouldn't even come anywhere NEAR the impact that proper actual atmo. Planets, OR ofc Ship Interiors,
would have.
And you see here is where we get to the meat-&-bones,
Ship Interiors would 100% NOT need to be a "total overhal".
Claiming so, THAT is "not even close" XD
HERE, a very simple and short concept, there are dozens (maybe hundreds at this point) more which are not too dissimilar:
Give us up to three rooms and a loading-screen elevator to enter them.
-Machine Room [Every Ship must have] (So we have something to repair and thus replay)
-Personal Quarter [for any >= medium Ship] (An additional room for decoration)
-Special Room [for any large Ship] (E.g. Lookout-Deck for the Anaconda)
Allow us to decorate them and feel free to hide a lot of decorations behind the Arx-Store.
This would not require anywhere near a "total overhaul", yet the positive impact it would have on Elite would be TREMENDOUS.
Which is part of why I advocate for Ship Interiors so hearfelt.
OFC it IS work!
And it will likely be A LOT of work!
But still SIGNIFICANLY less work than any other potential feature that would play in the same league while simultaneously clearly having the greatest potential for $
Which would be?
Do you mean this?;
Yeah, it really IS not hard to understand. Had they said "Ship Interiors will not be included." PERIOD.
I wouldn't be here my dude. But you can't twist reality
They went on with the effort of adding the two neat little words: "at launch", why did they bother with that?
Why not just be clear XD
They did not say no, no matter how often you tell that to yourself.
The closest they ever came to saying so was Arf's rambles during the infamous live-stream.
As I said, provide an offical response of FDev in CLEAR written form that Ship Interiors or off the table,
and so am I
And most likely the entire Pro-Ship-Interiors "movement" aswell
But there is no such statement
The CLOSEST thing that would qualify is the rambling response from Arf during some random dude's livestream.
And you know, most people here that claim smth akin to him having said "There are no plans for Ship Interiors FINAL END BASTA!
",have probably not watched it completely ... I have
What he actually said was:
"At the moment there are no plans for full Ship Interiors".
1. At the moment clearly implies that there might be changes to this from the get-go.
2. "FULL" Ship Interiors, granted, this is a bit speculative but far from implausible to assume that what he means by that is that we should simply not expect a castle
and it doesn't end there, because further down he said:
"I don't know. That's my thoughts and it's not necessarily Fdevs but at the moment it doesn't add any value ... "
Suddenly it doesn't really seem like the flat out "NO" some would have liked to hear it as here, don't you think
...
Unlike the promise FOR Ship Interiors by David Braben (Founder and still acting President of FDev) ... which was and is ... quite unmistakable :/
So once again I dare ask the golden Question:
=>Ship Interiors when?
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Yeah, it really IS not hard to understand. Had they said "Ship Interiors will not be included." PERIOD.
I wouldn't be here my dude. But you can't twist reality
They went on with the effort of adding the two neat little words: "at launch", why did they bother with that?
And you know, most people here that claim smth akin to him having said "There are no plans for Ship Interiors FINAL END BASTA!
have probably not watched it completely ... I have
What he actually said was:
"At the moment there are no plans for full Ship Interiors".
1. At the moment clearly implies that there might be changes to this from the get-go.
2. "FULL" Ship Interiors, granted, this is a bit speculative but far from implausible to assume that what he means by that is that we should simply not expect a castle
OMG
speculation Yes vs speculation No, no uncertain terms
mentioned video leads to a follow up discussion on the forums, where Bruce G made a following statement:
If anybody wants to be pessimistic about Frontier - have at it. I find it tiring and boring.
If it's an ongoing discussion - our speculations about possible 'supporting gameplay loops', or simple financial benefits, or possible implementations could be interesting, especially if constructive.
Yes
I work fulltime as an Animator and Software Developer ... There is 100% a need for a total overhaul and rebuild to come even remotely close to what is being suggested for ship interiors.
You are the first one of knowledgeable people to say that. Interesting. Could you be more specific about what exactly and how?
And it's not the interior assets, it's the rewrite of the logic and structure of how the game systems work.
Ok, moving on then
I think that would actually be great because that would be a downside of owning a big ship. There's a reason you don't see WW2 movies with pilots scrambling to get into their B52 bombers to respond to an attack. But then we would need a game where that was actually relevant and apparently war is just about endless conflicts in random spots in space that make no sense in 3300."I'm under attack and I want to get away and it's taking me 30 seconds to run to the top of my Anaconda because it's now 1:1 scale of my ship and I need to run through ever door"