News Ship naming and Name Plates – how it will work

[V'larr]

No pitchforks here, only complaints at the time. So add to all the coincidences I listed that there was no clarification early on to obvious turmoil that the community has misunderstood, and that Ed's simple statement didn't reflect that either, it only says how the feature will work starting beta 5.
I guess anything will continue to cause drama, some people have to be right. If FDev came out and said, yeah, we goofed, or, no, we really screwed up the communication, there would still be two sides as to whether it's the real Truth, or whether they were pressured by the continued arguing to say something.
I'm moving on, believe what you want to believe. I won't bring pitchforks, but if they do something like this again, misunderstanding or actual intent to make some cash, I will step up and say something.

They are only human, the fact Ed put out the fire this quickly is remarkable as it is....

I will admit, if they were going to charge something like $20 for nameplates per-ship *and* it were indeed not visible at all in the HUD or UI, then sure, I'd understand people being upset.

But the extent people have gotten upset over what happens to a misunderstanding over $3 has been appalling, to me. You, you have been reasonable, which I appreciate. I just wish more people were....

Except that it was in the first 2.3 patchnote: (Ship Naming: If it's not our ship and they have no name plates, then we don't know the ship's name)
This was then confirmed in the last live stream as well. Frontier has made some questionable decisions recently, in regards to this game. One like this didn't surprise me at all.

I was lazy and going on what someone else already posted to me earlier in this thread; that direct patchnote you offer does seem to carry that implication. I will just say it's still ambiguous enough to not be 100% certain that's what the patch note meant as opposed to player journals or how the back-end server handles stuff or whatever.

As for the stream, I repeat, I watched that first before finding out the mess going on on reddit and here. The stream notes from laveradio/reddit don't quite match how I think it happened in the stream, and I do see how the stream notes can carry that connection further.

*Even then*, even if all of it is true and not over-zealous outrage on the part of players, I still don't feel said outrage has been at all justified compared to what other game companies regularly and successfully pull.

I heard a friend talking recently about a CSGO knife he sold for over 300 quid in steam credit. I later found out players have to spend real money to open up reward crates for a low chance of that item, the kind of racketeering that I thought only a company like Nexon would ever pull.

And anybody can go look at HOTS prices for hero skins, or premium vehicles for any World of _ game, or Hero variants/mech packages on Mechwarrior Online, all of which seem to be taken in stride by their respective communities.

Yet I come back here and the house is burning down over what turned out to be 3 dollars.

Do you get why I have a strong urge to call "Shenanigans!" over all this?

 

[bitstorm]

But the extent people have gotten upset over what happens to a misunderstanding over $3 has been appalling, to me.

For the umpeenth time, people are NOT upset about the cost. They did not know the cost at the time did they? That was never the issue.

They are upset because an in game feature was being paywalled, that being, YOU will not see another person's ship name in YOUR HUD unless THEY have paid money.

YOU will not see my shipname in your HUD unless I paid money, YOU will not see Darkfyre's shipname unless he's paid money, you will not see David Braben's ship name unless he's paid money, you will not see your mate's ship name unless he's paid money, and so on, and so on for every single player you ever encounter in the game.

For anyone wanting to join a guild and add a guild tag to their ship name, they have to pay money.

It is the principle of paying money (any amount) for something that should be part of the game that people are upset up.


Charging for name plates which give you some fancy lettering on your hull, ship skin style is absolutely fine, $3 is probably too cheap, especially for a pack. (and I think it's probably a bit naive to assume that price might not have been lowered specifically to avoid adding more kindling to the fire)


If a CS GO knife went for £300, it has no relevance. It does not make sense to find the most egregious examples you can find and use that as your measure.

 

[Martian Successor]

That's not the truth, and it won't become true just by you repeating it over and over.

No I don't believe that either, unless you can show me a dev actually stating that.

Here you go lads:

Ship Naming
● If it's not our ship and they have no name plates, then we don't know the ship's name.

Why are we still going round in circles over this? The facts are out there, they've been posted over fifty times in this very thread and they speak for themselves. FD changed their minds because people on the forums pushed back. They're not clarifying, they're obviously amending their approach.

Thank you FD for listening to people. Thank you very much to all my fellow players who spoke up about this and made FD know. We did good

End of story. Everybody be happy!

 

[Javert]

Why are we still going round in circles over this? !

All,

This thread has been going around in circles with the same points posted back and forth, often by the same posters, for the last several pages. Please take a short break and consider only posting to this thread if you have something truly new to add. Unless FD wish to comment further, there is little to be gained by arguing back and forth about their intentions or how this played out internally.

Sometimes it's perfectly ok to agree to disagree and move on.

If this continues to go around in circles the thread will be closed.

In the meantime I suggest this marvelous ship names generator - names generated by this will appear on your screen right in front of you for free:

http://shipnames.iainmnorman.com/

 

[bitstorm]

All,

This thread has been going around in circles with the same points posted back and forth, often by the same posters, for the last several pages. Please take a short break and consider only posting to this thread if you have something truly new to add. Unless FD wish to comment further, there is little to be gained by arguing back and forth about their intentions or how this played out internally.

Sure it's frustrating, for everyone.

But while folk keep popping up claiming it's all lies, or saying the community are to blame for being upset about nothing, then I think it's only fair people are able to address that by linking.

There's already been a number of posters replying with words to the effect of "Ah ok, I'd missed that, thanks for the link"

 

[Martian Successor]

All,

This thread has been going around in circles with the same points posted back and forth, often by the same posters, for the last several pages. Please take a short break and consider only posting to this thread if you have something truly new to add. Unless FD wish to comment further, there is little to be gained by arguing back and forth about their intentions or how this played out internally.

Sometimes it's perfectly ok to agree to disagree and move on.

If this continues to go around in circles the thread will be closed.

In the meantime I suggest this marvelous ship names generator - names generated by this will appear on your screen right in front of you for free:

http://shipnames.iainmnorman.com/

But will I be able to see the ship names that appear on other people's screens?

 

[Winterwalker]

I AM .. going to name my ship 'wanted' .. and see who bites.

 

[V'larr]

For the umpeenth time, people are NOT upset about the cost. They did not know the cost at the time did they? That was never the issue.
They are upset because an in game feature was being paywalled, that being, YOU will not see another person's ship name in YOUR HUD unless THEY have paid money.
YOU will not see my shipname in your HUD unless I paid money, YOU will not see Darkfyre's shipname unless he's paid money, you will not see David Braben's ship name unless he's paid money, you will not see your mate's ship name unless he's paid money, and so on, and so on for every single player you ever encounter in the game.
For anyone wanting to join a guild and add a guild tag to their ship name, they have to pay money.
It is the principle of paying money (any amount) for something that should be part of the game that people are upset up.
Charging for name plates which give you some fancy lettering on your hull, ship skin style is absolutely fine, $3 is probably too cheap, especially for a pack. (and I think it's probably a bit naive to assume that price might not have been lowered specifically to avoid adding more kindling to the fire)

Here you go lads:
Why are we still going round in circles over this? The facts are out there, they've been posted over fifty times in this very thread and they speak for themselves. FD changed their minds because people on the forums pushed back. They're not clarifying, they're obviously amending their approach.
Thank you FD for listening to people. Thank you very much to all my fellow players who spoke up about this and made FD know. We did good
End of story. Everybody be happy!

All,
This thread has been going around in circles with the same points posted back and forth, often by the same posters, for the last several pages. Please take a short break and consider only posting to this thread if you have something truly new to add. Unless FD wish to comment further, there is little to be gained by arguing back and forth about their intentions or how this played out internally.
Sometimes it's perfectly ok to agree to disagree and move on.
If this continues to go around in circles the thread will be closed.
In the meantime I suggest this marvelous ship names generator - names generated by this will appear on your screen right in front of you for free:
http://shipnames.iainmnorman.com/

Fine. I will summarize my thoughts in one last single go, then:

I think everyone got entirely too upset over this to begin with, and I really want to stress the importance of *not* flipping out over things like this in the future - to bring up concerns and ideas constructively and as positively as we can manage (and not start 'victory over the devs' parades afterwards).

Not just because things could be worse and in fact is *much* worse almost anywhere you look out in the gaming industry - but because if we're going to expect future live streams where we can get answers to our questions from Sandro and Fdev, we need to avoid throwing fits and lighting bonfires and generally making it all feel unwelcome and give them reason to regret saying anything at all.

Which is why with most other games, you'll almost never see the developers openly discussing anything at all with the community.

Fdev's decision to be so incredibly open with the community is extremely valuable and an important thing to be concerned about, I think, which is why I'm risking posting even this much after Javert's post...so I hope you'll forgive me.

 

[bitstorm]

Fine. I will summarize my thoughts in one last single go, then:

I think everyone got entirely too upset over this to begin with, and I really want to stress the importance of *not* flipping out over things like this in the future - to bring up concerns and ideas constructively and as positively as we can manage (and not start 'victory over the devs' parades afterwards).

Saying thanks to the community, which is what you initially took offence at, is not a victory parade. It's saying thanks to the community because without that push back the feature would very likely have gone in as is, and ED, the game we all love, would be worse for it. And I would have been put in a position where I'd feel like I'd have to stop supporting via purchases.

I don't think anyone's won here, I doubt anyone that's been paying attention is particularly happy about how this has turned out.

But as I said before, thanks also to Frontier for reverting the change.

I also suspect there were folk working at Frontier who may have helped push this change through as well, possibly Ed? I know quite a few of the employees seem to be genuinely passionate about the game, so thanks to those folk too.

 

[Jack Schitt]

And then there's the final confirmation in the last stream.

Which was only confirming the question of whether you have to pay to *physically* see ship names. As in, nameplates, on their ship. Granted, the framing of the question was poorly ambiguous, but it seemed pretty obvious to me.

Did I not use a large enough font last time? Let me have another try.

Spoiler

"Is it true that the only way for your ship name to show up under another person's scan is if you've purchased a nameplate...?"

"Yes."

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVKH0EIMPc&t=8m35s )​

"another person's scan"

"person's scan"

"scan"

"scan"

"scan"

This was a pre-prepared question, remember.

But the extent people have gotten upset over what happens to a misunderstanding over $3 has been appalling, to me.

Whether you believe it to be a misunderstanding or not, the "upset" preceded the reveal of the cost. You can't use its significance in this context.

Yet I come back here and the house is burning down over what turned out to be 3 dollars.

"Turned out to be." Exactly. That's why it cannot be used as part of a dismissal of the community's response post facto. It was among the last bits of information to be revealed.

For the umpeenth time, people are NOT upset about the cost. They did not know the cost at the time did they? That was never the issue.

To be fair there was some concern about the potential cost after the Live Stream because Sandro's confirmation, whether you believe it to be erroneous or not, was not accompanied by any information about pricing. Given that historical costs for cosmetics have ranged from £1 to £15, there was some concern as to which end of that spectrum the nameplates might fall. That was resolved once Ed started this thread and gave us the price, at which point it became moot for most people.

In fact it seems to me that the revelation of the £2 price may actually have served to calm the waters quite a bit, because it's lower than many of the theoretical maxima some players had said they'd have been prepared to pay for nameplates, with or without the HUD display.

But while folk keep popping up claiming it's all lies, or saying the community are to blame for being upset about nothing, then I think it's only fair people are able to address that by linking. There's already been a number of posters replying with words to the effect of "Ah ok, I'd missed that, thanks for the link"

Indeed.

 

[Ian Skippy]

But as I said before, thanks also to Frontier for reverting the change.

I also suspect there were folk working at Frontier who may have helped push this change through as well, possibly Ed? I know quite a few of the employees seem to genuinely passionate about the game, so thanks to those folk too.

Yes. Not only that, but the 'key figures' we see in the streams and such do not have the final say in this matter. And those who backstage do may very well have done so because they believed it to genuinely be the best thing in the long run. The important bit is that the misjudgement has been corrected by FD and because of the community, so that the issue is resolved before going live. Which means that we can now focus on the correct ragethreads:

WHY DID FRONTIER NERF THE SHIELDS!!!!

or

WHY DID FRONTIER NOT NERF THE SHIELDS!!!!

 

[Angrymog]

Yes. Not only that, but the 'key figures' we see in the streams and such do not have the final say in this matter. And those who backstage do may very well have done so because they believed it to genuinely be the best thing in the long run. The important bit is that the misjudgement has been corrected by FD and because of the community, so that the issue is resolved before going live. Which means that we can now focus on the correct ragethreads:

WHY DID FRONTIER NERF THE SHIELDS!!!!

or

WHY DID FRONTIER NOT NERF THE SHIELDS!!!!

that, what about long hair? [mad]

 

[Rhaedas]

that, what about long hair? [mad]

Long hair means no RemLok. Meaning that loss of canopy or life support or even ship is instant perma death for the character. Worth it?

 

[Angrymog]

Long hair means no RemLok. Meaning that loss of canopy or life support or even ship is instant perma death for the character. Worth it?

Of course - aren't you prepared to die to look AbFab? (I don't actually care about long hair, and know both the technical and lore limitations about why there won't be any.)

 

[Martian Successor]

Long hair means no RemLok. Meaning that loss of canopy or life support or even ship is instant perma death for the character. Worth it?

Even in extreme cases it only means loss of hair, which in a world where you can change your race, gender, skin colour and hair length the way we change our socks today it's really no biggy. Just regrow that hair instantly using nano machines. Alternatively there are surely custom suits on the market whereby any long hair can be instantly vacuum sucked into a seal in the spine of the suit or perhaps even into a tail-like protrusion that is connected to the base of the helmet. Simples.

The technical limitations of FD having to animate longer hair is the only real barrier to longer hair. In-game tech/lore-reasons can all easily be handled with a just a bit of creativity.

 

[fennster]

Even in extreme cases it only means loss of hair, which in a world where you can change your race, gender, skin colour and hair length the way we change our socks today it's really no biggy. Just regrow that hair instantly using nano machines. Alternatively there are surely custom suits on the market whereby any long hair can be instantly vacuum sucked into a seal in the spine of the suit or perhaps even into a tail-like protrusion that is connected to the base of the helmet. Simples.

The technical limitations of FD having to animate longer hair is the only real barrier to longer hair. In-game tech/lore-reasons can all easily be handled with a just a bit of creativity.

Indeed. We can lore away instant teleportation via telepresence and holograms, but suddenly get stumped by long hair..

 

[Geist]

It is time for the dance of joy!

 

[SuBSynk]

You realise Frontier were going to paywall ship names so they won't appear in YOUR HUD unless the person you're scanning has paid money?

The community you're complaining about pushed back on that.

Your response encapsulates the essence of what i hate about the E: D community of late. Self obsessed & so entitled its hard to take seriously.

Great work if you were being sarcastic.

 

[demon_saint]

I think we can all agree that if the HUD wasn't going to show ship names unless a player paid for the privileged that would have been crappy. The only question is over whether that was ever going to happen.

The evidence seems to show that ED did plan to do that but also leaves some doubt. The important thing is a large section of the community saw a high possibility that this was going to happen and decided to stand up for everyone which is commendable. If it was a mistake in communication from ED or if they planned on implementing this crappy functionality is non-consequential, it is no longer going into the game so everybody can be happy.

Apart from the small section who seem to think £2 is going to break the bank, but I think that is a very small section. For those people, if you can't afford it, don't buy it.

 

[Rojo Habe]

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