Another approach, since the idea of having more modes seems to upset so many people, would be to reduce the options by one. Remove 'Open', and let the people who want to play that way form their own group(s). It puts everything on an equal footing, and reduces the possibilities of people ending up in the wrong place. It would probably need a link to a webpage or something where the groups could advertise, but I can't see any other problems....
Should there be an 'Open' Player Vs Environment Option on the Login Screen
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indeed... very inventive
but lets not turn this disucssion into an open vs group thing cheers to all the people posting, it is interesting to see different points of view on this, be do try to keep it on topic... please
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the current open mode would stay entirely as it is, it would not change, and I welcome improvements to the criminal system across all play modes
The one big problem I see, is not with the genuine PVP player who wants social interaction with another player. To use an RL anology a boxer accepting an invitation to fight against another boxer.
No I think those who would perhaps be most upset would be the PVP player who likes the soft target, traders new players, those in weaker ships, basically anything they can gank and beat easily without much, if any, risk to themselves.
I think in RL they are considered cowardly bully types.
Regardless of whether they are 'cowardly bully types' there is no question that they are a liability to the game - they drive off customers. Accordingly, nothing FD does should be done with the view to facilitating such behaviour. That simply doesn't make business sense. If they are upset, and go away, good. Higher sales, and more investment in a game that the rest of us can enjoy. And hopefully a few of those driven away will learn that they have to take the consequences of their own actions...
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+rep. But if we believe what we are told there is no problem with Open. It's "working as intended". The problem comes when two CMDRs, with totally valid but diametrically opposed playing styles meet. Like on these forums that's when the trouble starts. Adding an Open PvE mode would resolve that situation.
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I very much apologise - I didn't mean 'hide' in any way derogatory way, bad choice of word, I should have used 'play'
As I said, this is my opinion. I do not want to engage in PvP and will run from any such encounter ... but at the same time I also play as part of a group trying to influence the BGS and it feels wrong (again, I stress, to me, in my opinion) to perform actions in the game in a mode where other people can't see me where those actions may be working against those other people. For this reason I would prefer Open to be the only mode that results in consequences to the BGS etc. I also understand why this will probably never be implemented, even if the crime and punishment system is reworked to the point where people feel (somewhat) comfortable sticking around in Open
This. The genuine PVP player should have no problem with a PVE open mode, because there are clearly plenty of players for them to play against in normal Open mode. If there are not enough people in current open for the PVP advocates to play against, then they might want to consider why that is.
I voted yes because there are thousands of people who like to meet other players but don't have a power fantasy itch to scratch. I feel sorry for those legitimately RPing a pirate career, they are often really nice peeps and don't deserve to be treated the same as the idiots, but it's a small price to pay to remove all of those who get kicks from ruining other people's day.
I say allow PvP fire in an "Open PvE" mode, but operate a non-reversible strike system to ban people if they are reported by those they kill.
I think they are more likely those who are bullied in RL, but then repeat such abuse themselves against others in games. Definitely cowards though.
I say allow PvP fire in an "Open PvE" mode, but operate a non-reversible strike system to ban people if they are reported by those they kill.
I think they are more likely those who are bullied in RL, but then repeat such abuse themselves against others in games. Definitely cowards though.
A lot of traders, miners and explorers who currently play in open for player interaction will no doubt drop open in favor of open PvE to mitigate risk.. What current solo/group players do is not really an issue as far as this debate goes (most would probably go to that mode too). Open would lose it's status as the best mode for community interactivity, and would be populated by mostly PvPers.
Remember open mode is not PvP mode (that is CQC), open is just 'any encounter is possible' mode.
Sadly you are wrong here. Open may be _meant_ as a mode where everything goes. But it evolved into an "see a hollow icon: expect to get pulled out of SC and ganked" mode half a year ago.
So an Open PvE mode is needed. fo all those that no longer can play the way they want and DONT frequent forums.
Most of these will now be in solo. I doubt there are many left in open that are dumb enough not to have swiched to solo after the fith gank of their D-class T6 by a wing of 4 FDL. Even if they dont know about mobius.
I do agree with you that the current open mode is not PvP Only, and I do understand your concerns about why people would 'switch' but think about it for a moment, those players can already (and no doubt some do) join the mobius (or other) private PVE groups, as and when they want a PVE only multiplayer environment, so how does my proposal change that? Apart from the obvious answer of it being more 'visible' because it is on the main login menu as a choice
I play in open because I value the interactions I have with others and on top of that, I value the risk that is present when I am playing in comminuty goals or around other commanders, that said, I can and do acknowledge that, that situation, is not what everyone wants, that there are a lot of players who would prefer a PVE only multiplayer experience, would it affect my playtime in open or would it 'entice' me to play open PVE only mode, probably not in all honesty, but as I have mentioned this is not 'about any one players playstyle' this is about an option that should be there for people who do want to play that playstyle...
And I enjoyed CQC in the beta tests and will no doubt start getting my rank above helpless in the the release version when I am on my way back from beagle point after the DWE finishes
I voted "no."
The reason is that I believe it would probably be better to have a spawn option on first start that popped up a mini-window wherein it was written in big letters:
In short, set a soft-bordered PVP area within the open galaxy populated by anarchy governments. Don't add those systems to the BGS - just give them a minimal administration that keeps stations running. One might even consider giving the stations excellent combat outfitters to encourage people to run the gauntlet rather than have to dredge through 6-7 different systems trying to outfit their ships. Allow the PVP-oriented groups to set up factions within that zone if they wish, and let them have at it there. Players specifically looking for PVP would know where to go to get their fix, which, I suspect, would reduce the number of unwarranted attacks on CMDRs who'd rather be doing something else, and would not require a relog to switch modes.
Everyone wins?
The reason is that I believe it would probably be better to have a spawn option on first start that popped up a mini-window wherein it was written in big letters:
The message could further explain that outside of the area, there would be a preponderance of functioning governments and police response to shooting randoms, while within the lawless zone, there would be no such thing.
In short, set a soft-bordered PVP area within the open galaxy populated by anarchy governments. Don't add those systems to the BGS - just give them a minimal administration that keeps stations running. One might even consider giving the stations excellent combat outfitters to encourage people to run the gauntlet rather than have to dredge through 6-7 different systems trying to outfit their ships. Allow the PVP-oriented groups to set up factions within that zone if they wish, and let them have at it there. Players specifically looking for PVP would know where to go to get their fix, which, I suspect, would reduce the number of unwarranted attacks on CMDRs who'd rather be doing something else, and would not require a relog to switch modes.
Everyone wins?
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I've played in open since standard beta... I've been killed by players about 7 or 8 times. And it has always been in the starter systems, Powerplay capital systems, the Lave region or a CG. Everywhere else has been totally fine (even when there are 3 or 4 other players in the local area).
The chances that you will run into a hostile player anywhere else is very low.
No, he's not wrong - when I see a hollow icon, I give a "o7" and start chatting.
I've made more friends in Open than I've made enemies.
Any encounter is possible and that's what I like about it.
So you say yourself that as soon as you do anything "common" in open you will get ganked. if you stay outside the bubble or in the fringers where no other players are: why play open at all? swithc to solo and dont notice any difference at all.
In short: You say that open is only Pve if you emulate solo in it. Not my type of game at all. PLayers that want an Open PvE mode want to play with other players. They just dont want to fight with them.
Onece and for all: the "open is safe as long as you stay away from anything interesting" is a null argument. If you shy from any player contact you can play solo, you dont have to be in open at all. THats contradictive. Unless you do it for the bragging rights of "i have balls, i play open only... (away from all danger)"
This.
Plenty of people in open are friendly and helpful.. some not so much - just like in the real world.
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No, there are just areas players need to watch out - that's how it should be. The only problem is is that some of these areas should be more secure (like starter systems).
