Should there be feminine imperial ranks/titles?

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I retract what I said earlier, the titles are good as they are now, no change is necessary.
 
All the titles themselves are meaningless; we're essentially super-fancy mercenaries at best. I'm quite sure any actual Imperial nobility lols whenever they're doling out biowaste haulage missions to some "King". If they're going to change the titles at all, I'd rather see them toss the old names and go with merc-based rankings.
 
All the titles themselves are meaningless; we're essentially super-fancy mercenaries at best. I'm quite sure any actual Imperial nobility lols whenever they're doling out biowaste haulage missions to some "King". If they're going to change the titles at all, I'd rather see them toss the old names and go with merc-based rankings.
Either that or rework the whole system to actually reflect the idea that we're rising through the actual ranks. Make it like Sid Meier's Pirates!, where you get given land. A token number would do until ED includes the ability to stake out planet surface and build your own facilities, ports, etc on it. (Edit: All right, I admit it, I want a castle. When I'm a baron, or an earl or a count or something, I want a castle. If I get to be a duke I want a gigantic big stately home. Either one could have a moat. And a spaceport.)

But an obvious disparity is that the Federal ranks are military by nature; where the Imperial ones are social (albeit originating from war, like 'duke', from 'dux', meaning a leader in war). But still, titles of nobility are not the same deal as military ranks at all. And plus the Alliance doesn't have any such system at all - presumably consistent with lore, if the Alliance isn't a single nation with a single organisational structure. But still, it would have been nice for Alliance players to be able to have something. Even if it was a sort of 'equivalence' system like the OF-n/OR-n structure used by NATO.

Also, we should have graphics showing the insignia of our ranks or titles. That'd be cool. And have the game replace our CMDR prefix (which my brain still insists on mentally pronouncing as 'K'MUH-DUH!' - with the exclamation mark because full caps is shouting) with the abbreviation for our titles or ranks. Oh, and while you're at it, FDev, just call all the voice actors back in again, and get them to record all the variants, eh?

Why no, I'm not entitled.

Well, all right. Maybe as far as Master, but nothing impressive. 😁

Sorry for another load of text. I'm not entirely sober right now*.

(* This is clearly a perfectly adequate explanation.)
 
Either that or rework the whole system to actually reflect the idea that we're rising through the actual ranks. Make it like Sid Meier's Pirates!, where you get given land. A token number would do until ED includes the ability to stake out planet surface and build your own facilities, ports, etc on it. (Edit: All right, I admit it, I want a castle. When I'm a baron, or an earl or a count or something, I want a castle. If I get to be a duke I want a gigantic big stately home. Either one could have a moat. And a spaceport.)

But an obvious disparity is that the Federal ranks are military by nature; where the Imperial ones are social (albeit originating from war, like 'duke', from 'dux', meaning a leader in war). But still, titles of nobility are not the same deal as military ranks at all. And plus the Alliance doesn't have any such system at all - presumably consistent with lore, if the Alliance isn't a single nation with a single organisational structure. But still, it would have been nice for Alliance players to be able to have something. Even if it was a sort of 'equivalence' system like the OF-n/OR-n structure used by NATO.

Also, we should have graphics showing the insignia of our ranks or titles. That'd be cool. And have the game replace our CMDR prefix (which my brain still insists on mentally pronouncing as 'K'MUH-DUH!' - with the exclamation mark because full caps is shouting) with the abbreviation for our titles or ranks. Oh, and while you're at it, FDev, just call all the voice actors back in again, and get them to record all the variants, eh?

Why no, I'm not entitled.

Well, all right. Maybe as far as Master, but nothing impressive. 😁

Sorry for another load of text. I'm not entirely sober right now*.

(* This is clearly a perfectly adequate explanation.)
I'd rather have the introduction of real military ranks as an alternative to PF membership rather than a replacement system. This should be a player choice that would affect large parts of the game, and be much harder to simply walk away from with no lasting repercussions than a PP faction.

I think a great many pilots would prefer to be in an actual superpower military than just be an expensive hired gun, but certainly not all of them. I don't have any desire to sign on for a long-haul with any of the powers myself, but I get that it would create some really interesting gameplay possibilities.
 
I'd rather have the introduction of real military ranks as an alternative to PF membership rather than a replacement system. This should be a player choice that would affect large parts of the game, and be much harder to simply walk away from with no lasting repercussions than a PP faction.

I think a great many pilots would prefer to be in an actual superpower military than just be an expensive hired gun, but certainly not all of them. I don't have any desire to sign on for a long-haul with any of the powers myself, but I get that it would create some really interesting gameplay possibilities.
I'd agree. I really would like to be able to feel like I'm seriously investing in my superpower, earning a reputation, rising through the ranks...

It'd make my story all the more interesting when I end up having to turn my back on it all and become an Imperial in exile, for some reason. I mean I'm sure that's got to happen sooner or later, and it'd be much more fun if I was a high-up noble at the time. There'd be consequences. 🤔

(Sorry, I'm just being greedy with forum space now.)
 
Nah, all the women look really butch in ED. I think with the advent of cloning, heterosexuality must have died out.
 
Its been a couple of years sincethis was raised this initially, but I've been gilded into action by seeing someone on here, who I respect immensley for their contriutions, having "duchess" in their cmdr's description in their signature...

Don't get me wrong, I am an alpha male beardy bloke IRL, and in game I play a similar character, indeed my holo me could double as a photofit for me. However, I am acutely ware that there are a lot of players who are either a female IRL and their character in game reflects this, or their CMDR is female for RP reasons, regardless, they get masculine imperial titles as ranks. I'm hereby campaigning to get this changed. I know some might argue this isjust some other social justice warrior campaign, its not, I am something of a "conservative" / traditionalist, IRL I've actually been described as a cave man. Oothers might argue "but its Emperor Arissa Lavigny-Duval, not Emporeress", to whcih I say two years ago hald the galaxy mourned not "Lord" Kahina Loren, but "Lady" Kahina Loren.

How hard would it be, or unreasonable to ask frontier to put a simple checkbox in holo-me upon selection of a female body, asking if the CMDR would prefer male or female imperial titles, and then have that applied to the CMDR's status, eg: (rank 7, if gender =M; "Baron", if gender =F; "Baronness") ?

Personally as a middle aged bloke ranked "king" I look forward to being made a mockery of by many an ambitious lady/baroness/duchess etc... But if those women, either in game women or IRL women do not get their female ranks its no skin of my RP nose.

So how am I proposing to "make it so"? by keeping the thread bubbling near the surface of this section of the forum. Normally I welcome discourse on "my" threads, however I'm going to put it this way; if the only comments are those chiming in to say they support the idea of feminine versions of the ranks being made available, how close to the top it remains will be an indicator of how well supported an idea it is purporting. However, negative comments in new posts from people chiming in to say they disagree with the notions of the opening post of this thread and why they feel so inclined, will actually have the same effect and "bump" the thread back to the surface. So in essence folk chiming in here to say "FDev don't do it because X,Y or Z" are shooting themselves in the foot by keeping the thread current. If you don't like the idea, stay quiet, and the idea will die in a deafening silence.

There shouldn't. The Empire is a pretty rigid society and the male ranks are part of that. As with many shortcomings when it comes to equality, this is just one more of those. Even the Emperor, being a woman, uses the male title because it's a title and has been used for centuries that way. It's conservative of course, but that's the Empire and not anything outside the game.
Don't confuse inclusion on a game-level with ingame setting. Should Aisling ever be Emperor, I can absolutely imagine her to call herself Empress, be it just to spite the dust-layered conservative Tovalians.
 
The Empire is a pretty rigid society and the male ranks are part of that.
I think this is the central aspect. The reason for the male names is to show that the empire is an extremely conservative society. To quote the wiki:
Marlin Duval was a wealthy woman from Earth, who, disenchanted with their administration and authorities, set off with her own colonising fleet to Achenar 6d because it was so far from Earth. Her leadership ended abruptly when her brother Henson oversaw a flying 'accident' in which she perished. The democratic government changed abruptly to one of strict imperial rule and from then on the family assumed leadership. Female children in the family were prevented with genetic techniques, such was the hatred of Marlin Duval's principles and vision of a world in peace. This restriction was gradually phased out over the years, but the succession of Emperors has remained along the male line until recently.
This isn't Frontiers position on gender, this is an element of storytelling, which isn't used to denote sympathies towards antifeministic positions, but to include an emphatically unfair and rigid society. Which is opposed in this very elements by several other factions in the galaxy, including Aisling as an internal critic.
 
The most feminine title that gets used here is "Griefer"

I've always had far more grief from chicks than blokes.
Here's an experiment you could try: call them something other than "chicks" and see if they're less inclined to grief you.

Nah, all the women look really butch in ED. I think with the advent of cloning, heterosexuality must have died out.
Well, the Internet tells me this is the ultimate goal of the LGBTQ Agenda™, so... yay? I guess?

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...and so on...?
 
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