Slave Carriers Update

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We have recently received news that Frontier have taken action in response to the "enslavement" of new players in the Elite Dangerous galaxy. Frontier have reached the judgement that the actions that these players have taken breaches the ED Code of Conduct by "deceiving and exploiting other players". As such, the players involved in this activity have been excluded from Open play, and the assets which have been acquired through these means, including the fleet carriers, will be inaccessible.

This decision is being appealed against at the moment, so it is possible that it may be partially or fully reversed. However, the "slavers" have reached out to us and asked us to share this information on their behalf.

The New Pilots Initiative as a group are not taking any position on the decision, as it is entirely within the the gift of Frontier to determine what does and does not break their Code of Conduct. However, I would like to offer the condolences on behalf of Operation Chainbreak to the affected Commanders, both captives and captors.

I am sure that there will be strong feelings on both sides with this outcome, however, I would ask that everyone make sure that they treat each other kindly over what will be a very emotive subject.

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[Michael Whatever]

So... err.. the slavers could now be stranded unable to access their carriers 800 LY from the bubble in solo ?
Do we need to rescue them?

It is emotive, I'm not sure if to laugh or cry.
Oh laugh actually.

(i'm sure they won't really be stranded but this mental image appeals to me)

 

[Speedcuffs]

We have recently received news that Frontier have taken action in response to the "enslavement" of new players in the Elite Dangerous galaxy.

Links? Official announcements?

 

[LeoBartlet]

Oh this is gonna be good.

 

[CmdrKafka]

I for one support the slavers choice, although I wouldn’t do it myself.... it’s emergent gameplay like this that makes the game fun!

 

[itsDovah]

Yeaaaaahhh, I'm not exactly happy with Frontier's choice, as I discussed at length on a discord server. True, the Frontier Code of Conduct states that

Leading or deceiving users in such a way as to cheat or defraud them is not permitted under our Terms of Use, and can result in action being taken against your account.

, which makes the case and decision rather clear to me. What I struggle with is where to draw the line, saying "this type of fooling around is okay and this type isn't". Guess they left it somewhat vague intentionally. I do think it's a pretty smart scheme. Sure, sucks to be on the receiving side, but in the end I see it as just another form of griefing. Since this is such a unique and unprecendented case, I think something like a "cease the abducting, or else" would have been fine, if they had to do anything in the first place. For me, this honestly seems like something the community could have managed on their own. WIthout Frontier intervening and passing what I see as too harsh a judgement.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Yeaaaaahhh, I'm not exactly happy with Frontier's choice, as I discussed at length on a discord server. True, the Frontier Code of Conduct states that , which makes the case and decision rather clear to me. What I struggle with is where to draw the line, saying "this type of fooling around is okay and this type isn't". Guess they left it somewhat vague intentionally. I do think it's a pretty smart scheme. Sure, sucks to be on the receiving side, but in the end I see it as just another form of griefing. Since this is such a unique and unprecendented case, I think something like a "cease the abducting, or else" would have been fine, if they had to do anything in the first place. For me, this honestly seems like something the community could have managed on their own. WIthout Frontier intervening and passing what I see as too harsh a judgement.

Yea this doesn't seem like it'll end well for Frontier.

 

[Vetinari]

Which metaphor to use?

Pot kettle black?

Hoisted by their own petard?

Good for the goose is good for the gander?

Crime & consequences?

I need to learn emoji to really reflect my level of laughter on this one.

 

[SlouchMonster]

Yeaaaaahhh, I'm not exactly happy with Frontier's choice, as I discussed at length on a discord server. True, the Frontier Code of Conduct states that , which makes the case and decision rather clear to me. What I struggle with is where to draw the line, saying "this type of fooling around is okay and this type isn't". Guess they left it somewhat vague intentionally. I do think it's a pretty smart scheme. Sure, sucks to be on the receiving side, but in the end I see it as just another form of griefing. Since this is such a unique and unprecendented case, I think something like a "cease the abducting, or else" would have been fine, if they had to do anything in the first place. For me, this honestly seems like something the community could have managed on their own. WIthout Frontier intervening and passing what I see as too harsh a judgement.

I'm guessing they draw the line at behaviour that'll negatively affect the game's reputation.
Being killed by another player is a set back.
Being kidnapped effectively locks you out of the game.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Wait until we find out one of the people who took part in the scheme was a child themselves #PlotTwist

 

[LeoBartlet]

I'm guessing they draw the line at behaviour that'll negatively affect the game's reputation.

If anything it would probably increase its reputation.

Being killed by another player is a set back.

Only solution to that is the complete removal of pvp

Being kidnapped effectively locks you out of the game.

Self destruct not installed on ships anymore?

 

[Stealthie]

...breaches the ED Code of Conduct by "deceiving and exploiting other players". As such, the players involved in this activity have been excluded from Open play...

Aren't there Distress Calls where, if you investigate them, you're attacked by pirates who say things like "I can't believe it worked!" and "I can't believe they fall for it!"?

Does this mean ED, itself, breaches FDev's Code of Conduct?

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

As a carebear i approve but... if anyone dare request a combat feature ever again using the basis of elite "dangerous", well they're going to get lolled all the way back to the noob zone.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Aren't there Distress Calls where, if you investigate them, you're attacked by pirates who say things like "I can't believe it worked!" and "I can't believe they fall for it!"?

Does this mean ED, itself, breaches FDev's Code of Conduct?

It's cute when Frontier decide to arbitrarily enforce rules or reinterpret them.

 

[SlouchMonster]

Bad rep is bad, especially when you're trying to flog your new release that is late and not on console any time soon.

Only solution to that is the complete removal of pvp

I ment 'only a set back', as in its annoying but not much else in the grand scheme.

As far as self distruct, newbies might not know about it and they're probably flying without rebuy.

 

[Stealthie]

Yeaaaaahhh, I'm not exactly happy with Frontier's choice, as I discussed at length on a discord server. True, the Frontier Code of Conduct states that , which makes the case and decision rather clear to me. What I struggle with is where to draw the line, saying "this type of fooling around is okay and this type isn't". Guess they left it somewhat vague intentionally. I do think it's a pretty smart scheme. Sure, sucks to be on the receiving side, but in the end I see it as just another form of griefing. Since this is such a unique and unprecendented case, I think something like a "cease the abducting, or else" would have been fine, if they had to do anything in the first place. For me, this honestly seems like something the community could have managed on their own. WIthout Frontier intervening and passing what I see as too harsh a judgement.

Seems kind of bizarre, to me, that if I interdict somebody in, say, an unarmed Cutter and demand they hand over their stuff or get exploded, I'm actually breaching FDev's CoC by both deceiving and exploiting my target.

I would have thought there should be a clear distinction between abusing the game's architecture in some way that "deceives and exploits" another player and simply doing stuff, as intended, in-game.

 

[Vetinari]

I think the NPC ones allow you to escape by jumping to the next system though.

 

[SlickPBW]

I support FD’s decision. There’s discussion on both sides of the issue, but when I heard about it, I didn’t think it was cool to take advantage of new players that way. I sure hope that the experience didn’t permanently stop them from playing. Yes, there are ways to escape, but a new player may not know how. Plus, I would never support messing with young kids. I can see how there’s an argument that it could be considered emergent game play or compared to other gameplay like ganking. But in the end, I personally didn’t think it was proper, so good job FD.

 

[VR - wickfut]

I'm sure that code of conduct means in the real world and not in the game world

 

[LeoBartlet]

Bad rep is bad, especially when you're trying to flog your new release that is late and not on console any time soon.

Space based shooter with slavery and drug references good.

"Enslaving" players bad.

Cool

As far as self distruct, newbies might not know about it and they're probably flying without rebuy.

If I were stuck in a game I'd use the very machine im playing on to figure out a solution.