I'd agree, untill I was at the end of the stick. These being new players, they are probably driven away in droves. Not something I'd want as a developer.
That said, I do admire the ingeniuity, I'd never even think about something like that...
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That said, I do admire the ingeniuity, I'd never even think about something like that...
I'd rather say it locks you in the game
Seriously, that's stupid. There are ways out of this "slavery", taking action against
people doing this (especially as there are other people out to help) is complete nonsense.
Don't do it FDEV. "It's a cuthroat galaxy" "Blaze you're own trail" will ring hollow. First bit of emergent gameplay for years and it's going to be crushed 
This could have been great, slaver carriers vs liberator carriers, all tracking each other through the galaxy, battling for the souls of the gullible. Just let it alone FD.
And FWIW, as an exploration carrier owner, I can tell you that my carrier has a slave too. ME. How about you free me from my endentured servitude (upkeep and mining Petril or whatever they call it these days) while you are at it?
This could have been great, slaver carriers vs liberator carriers, all tracking each other through the galaxy, battling for the souls of the gullible. Just let it alone FD.And FWIW, as an exploration carrier owner, I can tell you that my carrier has a slave too. ME. How about you free me from my endentured servitude (upkeep and mining Petril or whatever they call it these days) while you are at it?
agreed, also they were never slaves. not when you can self destruct and pick a new ship.
i bet there are people who have been ganked with full cargo or expl dat that will have lost more
If it were me, I'd say that while this is borderline on the exploitation it's also unprecedented. Hand them a warning - or temp ban - but anyone else doing this in future is banned.
I don't know everything about this case, but on the surface it sounds like a pretty ingenious plan and one is have been fairly happy with if I'd thought of it. No game exploits were used. No different from any other in game deception. An outright ban seems harsh.
What I'd like to know is: how did the slaver(s) respond when "slaves" complained to them in game via comms? (If the slaves did indeed complain?) Were the slavers insulting or abusive? That might be one reason for a ban.
I don't know everything about this case, but on the surface it sounds like a pretty ingenious plan and one is have been fairly happy with if I'd thought of it. No game exploits were used. No different from any other in game deception. An outright ban seems harsh.
What I'd like to know is: how did the slaver(s) respond when "slaves" complained to them in game via comms? (If the slaves did indeed complain?) Were the slavers insulting or abusive? That might be one reason for a ban.
Nah, not buying it. Try playing something like ARK and see how that goes. Hell, it's a legitimate mechanic in there, and you only have to read the T&Cs to know FDev mean "in the real world", not in game.
Besides, I've never seen anyone excluded from a game mode before. Just "Open"? Hmm!
Besides, I've never seen anyone excluded from a game mode before. Just "Open"? Hmm!
Why though? It's legit gameplay and teaches valuable lessons without harm done.
It required new players to listen to their "slavers" and fit their ship without a fuel scoop (lesson one: never skip on fuel scoops if landing on a carrier)
and most even told to fit 2D frame shifts (lesson two: you never go 2D frame shift, not even in PvP any more).
And the general lesson is, people can be jerks, don't trust randoms on internet. In german we have a saying for this "Gier frisst Hirn" (greed eats your brain).
Nothing except time is lost for the "slaves" here. It was all legit gameplay. No botting, no real money extortion*. Just people playing dumb other people.
And children should learn this lesson, too. The harm done here is comparatively small.
* in case those "slavers" asked for Arx or real word money etc. a ban would definitely be on the table though.
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Shadow bans have always been a thing in Elite. Restriction to solo play before the account gets canned completely. Or so I heard.
Only because FDev has decide it's "abuse". In the end, that's their decision.
If they're banning these people for specific, unprecedented but previously legal gameplay then that's harsh. But if they're banning them for being abusive jerks over comms (for instance) then that's different.
Completely stupid thing to do. If wanted to tinker they could of just moved the conned noobies back to the starter zone or even better organised a Rescue CG. For me, this game just slipped a bit further down the list of games to play.
As you point out, unless the 'slavers' asked for money, ARX, were idiots in ingame chat (i.e. use abusive language) then I don't get it. FD seem to want emergent gameplay but don't like emergent gameplay that is not looking at planets. My guess is that (just like DE) it embarrassed FD enough to warrant slapped wrists.
It would be nice for FD to actually clarify what they see as being 'acceptable' because otherwise its yet another straitjacket. I'd also be interested in knowing if they (FD) took Discord behaviour into account as well, which would be outside the remit I imagine(?)
But in the end its up to them.
It is ironic though that Zemina uses slaves to mine. Will anyone think of the children?
If slaving people to mine is abusive, FD should ban itself, they are the worst slavers, everyone mines and it's all their fault
As said, the whole story is mildly amusing to me. If there were threats, and abusive talk etc, a ban is ok.
The mere extorting of players to work for them is quite fitting for the dystopian setting.
I think it could be funny if it happened to those of us that have been around for a while, (although I doubt we would fall for it) for a brand new player trying to come to grips with the game, not so much.
i think we're all in that boat? i still haven't seen anything but vague rumors. to me it all still seems like a joke.
but is indeed possible that some of this actually happened in some vague form involving a small number of people, got all drummed up and reported and in that case it wouldn't really surprise me that frontier went full kneejerk politically correct gutmensch, that's very much their style.
this game, what a reality show!
insert "are you not entertained?" meme herei think we're all in that boat? i still haven't seen anything but vague rumors. to me it all still seems like a joke.
but is indeed possible that some of this actually happened in some vague form involving a small number of people, got all drummed up and reported and in that case it wouldn't really surprise me that frontier went full kneejerk politically correct gutmensch, that's very much their style.
this game, what a reality show!
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Do we reckon if no kids were involved at all, that action would have been taken? Nothing gets things done like an embarrassed, humiliated parent who won't accept responsibility for their own actions when their precious crotch fruit has to face the consequences of the parent's lack of responsibility.
3 pages and counting of assumption and guesswork?i think we're all in that boat? i still haven't seen anything but vague rumors. to me it all still seems like a joke.
but is indeed possible that some of this actually happened in some vague form involving a small number of people, got all drummed up and reported and in that case it wouldn't really surprise me that frontier went full kneejerk politically correct gutmensch, that's very much their style.
this game, what a reality show!
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