Powerplay SNIPING in Powerplay

[Imrus76]

Fortify all systems in time, simple

 

[NRCrosby]

Unfortunately for larger powers is not possible to fortify every single control system fully. So cmdrs are making decisions on what the game at the time os telling them. They have no idea that theres been a coordinated effort being made in solo/group modes.

Bull yes its is its called coordinated Fortifying we do it all the time in Winters and have done so for weeks and weeks. True if a Power over Expands then yes it can outgrow its players base to fortify everything and this is the results. Don't ask to change this just so an overly large power can just keep expanding without consequences. Fortify stop expanding and undermining smaller powers get your players to switch priorities simple problem solved.

Here is how I see it the Empire grows and grows as it does it needs to leave behind more and more garrisons to protect what it has taken until finally it reaches that point that it has no garrisons left or its garrisons get smaller and smaller and thus easy targets for the conquered systems to overthrow isn't this exactly what historically happened. Or maybe with the ALD garrisons spread all over Arrisa just sent in her home guard to take you down again didn't this happen historically too

 

[Dingus Maximus]

Sorry have to disagree there. If your interested in pvp then yeh it would be in open. But if th3 intent is to snipe then it will be done in solo. With the ammount of undermining done in the 14 sysyem they should have been crawling with cmdrs. They weren't.

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Dude you think we have been doing? Have u seen ALD'S rddit?

 

[persephonius]

Sorry have to disagree there. If your interested in pvp then yeh it would be in open. But if th3 intent is to snipe then it will be done in solo. With the ammount of undermining done in the 14 sysyem they should have been crawling with cmdrs. They weren't.

Well, you have under-estimated what a small, determined strike force can achieve.

 

[ScoobyPoo]

That is not true at all. Undermining is usually done in open as the chance of PvP is higher than usual, and underminers generally engage in PvP when an opportunity presents itself. Also, the merits could have been acquired days earlier, and would explain why you did not see anyone.

Lol.

I hope you're being sarcastic. PVP is like a taboo word around here

 

[persephonius]

Lol.

I hope you're being sarcastic. PVP is like a taboo word around here

Really? Come to Rhea, there is usually PvP a plenty.

 

[ScoobyPoo]

I engage in it happily. But what you're saying is that the majority of the process is done in open by all players. Simply not true unfortunately.

I agree it should, but it simply isn't the case.

 

[persephonius]

I engage in it happily. But what you're saying is that the majority of the process is done in open by all players. Simply not true unfortunately.

I agree it should, but it simply isn't the case.

Well the underminers I operate with at Winters have quite a stubborn open only policy.

 

[Martin Schou]

Bull yes its is its called coordinated Fortifying we do it all the time in Winters and have done so for weeks and weeks. True if a Power over Expands then yes it can outgrow its players base to fortify everything and this is the results. Don't ask to change this just so an overly large power can just keep expanding without consequences. Fortify stop expanding and undermining smaller powers get your players to switch priorities simple problem solved.

Well, Aisling and ALD have had problems fortifying ever since they were smaller than the current size of Mahon. The reason they're having trouble is that they've never had to do anything in terms of dealing with undermining, because it's close to impossible for Empire powers to undermine Empire powers.

When a full third of your possible opponents can't really oppose you, and that third has one of the biggest player numbers, then you never really get to practice your defence. There's a reason that Delaine, Mahon and Winters do so well in fortifications - lots and lots of practice.

There are things mentioned in this thread (especially my own suggestions of course) that I would like to see implemented. Getting rid of sniping? Not really - it would make the game too easy, and then there'd be a push from Frontier to increase the rewards for undermining (again).

 

[xDreadnoughtx]

Call me a cynic but...

ALD triumphally march forward cycle after cycle. Seemingly unopposable.

AD are sniped. LYR are sniped. Someone, groups, powers, the PP illuminati whoever gets really organised and succeeds. Brilliant. Truly entertaining at the cycle tick.

FD developers....deafening silence.

ALD are sniped and we suddenly see more dev involvement in this single thread than in weeks in open forum matters. Hmmmm....coincidence?

Colour me sceptical

I say all hail Empress Arissa.

As for a sniping cap? Not at all keen and 500-1000 is just plain lala and I am pledged to a power that lives and breathes fortification.

Take a high threshold UM, say 16000. Divide by a wing of 4 to require coordination. 4000 should be the bare minimum if you insist on handing bloated empire powers a zimmerframe.

I'm against any UM merit cap. Fortify or die. Lazy powers deserve it.

Atb

 

[NRCrosby]

Sorry have to disagree there. If your interested in pvp then yeh it would be in open. But if th3 intent is to snipe then it will be done in solo. With the ammount of undermining done in the 14 sysyem they should have been crawling with cmdrs. They weren't.

No they wouldn't and clearly your commanders weren't there to see them enough because your systems would have been fortified if they were It would take no more than a few dozen Commanders working diligently and very hard and trying to be undetected for this to happen and if your some arrogant or we don't need to fortify those systems Power then yeah really easy to do in open because they wouldn't have commanders in those systems they be in some other powers system undermining or perhaps preparing yet even more expansions Mmmmm.

 

[Quineloe]

I still don't understand why undermining doesn't happen when a ship gets destroyed but when the merits for destroying a ship are paid out. That would solve the whole sniping thing instantly.

 

[Bostlabs]

Ok, maybe everyone's given up on Powerplay already!

I did. Not worth my time.

 

[persephonius]

I still don't understand why undermining doesn't happen when a ship gets destroyed but when the merits for destroying a ship are paid out. That would solve the whole sniping thing instantly.

Because you can kill a commander with a hoard of merits and effectively wipe out hours of work. It makes defending control systems worth it and meaningful. This is why I personally (and everyone I know at Winters) have an open only policy.

 

[Luki Bobstar]

Hello Commanders!

I would think that a number in the range of 500 - 1000 would be an appropriate start. It's a decent amount of vouchers.

In fairness, any limit that isn't sky high should cause a significant reduction in sniping capability.

Does this apply to expansion opposition? If so this is waaaaay too low. I'm 250ly from home, if I have to make that trip every 500 it basically ends powerplay for me right there and then.

Not needing the vouchers and having these merits apply automatically is clearly the best option here.

 

[NRCrosby]

Call me a cynic but...

ALD triumphally march forward cycle after cycle. Seemingly unopposable.

AD are sniped. LYR are sniped. Someone, groups, powers, the PP illuminati whoever gets really organised and succeeds. Brilliant. Truly entertaining at the cycle tick.

FD developers....deafening silence.

ALD are sniped and we suddenly see more dev involvement in this single thread than in weeks in open forum matters. Hmmmm....coincidence?

Colour me sceptical

I say all hail Empress Arissa.

As for a sniping cap? Not at all keen and 500-1000 is just plain lala and I am pledged to a power that lives and breathes fortification.

Take a high threshold UM, say 16000. Divide by a wing of 4 to require coordination. 4000 should be the bare minimum if you insist on handing bloated empire powers a zimmerframe.

I'm against any UM merit cap. Fortify or die. Lazy powers deserve it.

Atb

Here is what I suggest FD bails out another overly bloated Empire power again BOYCOTT! By Winters, Hudson, Mahon, Archon, Li-Yong, Antal We all just quick PP run a petition drive and get everyone on board I know if they do I most likely will stop this is getting ridiculous all I do is Fortify why cause we have too and now when ALD ought to have to Fortify BAILOUT

 

[Martin Schou]

Sorry have to disagree there. If your interested in pvp then yeh it would be in open. But if th3 intent is to snipe then it will be done in solo. With the amount of undermining done in the 14 system they should have been crawling with cmdrs. They weren't.

Really? 375,000 merits should result in the systems crawling with commanders? What should be happening in Mahon's systems then? We saw 1.34 million merits last cycle, and on none of my countless fortification runs did I see a single hostile commander. And yes, I fortify in open.

Either everyone undermining Mahon is doing it in private/solo (and I doubt that very much), or space is really, really big, and you simply do not have any experience with what your systems look like when they're being heavily undermined.

Seriously - ALD had 29 out of 71 systems (not counting HQ) hit their undermining trigger in cycle 14. Mahon had 23 systems that hit 150+% of their undermining trigger and 32 out of 59 systems (not counting HQ) hit their undermining trigger.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Here is what I suggest FD bails out another overly bloated Empire power again BOYCOTT! By Winters, Hudson, Mahon, Archon, Li-Yong, Antal We all just quick PP run a petition drive and get everyone on board I know if they do I most likely will stop this is getting ridiculous all I do is Fortify why cause we have too and now when ALD ought to have to Fortify BAILOUT

Nobody is talking about a fortification bailout or anything of the sort. This discussion is about a mechanic that affects all powers equally and that makes little sense from a fluff or lore perspective (no one noticed or thought to report that a few thousand ships just disappeared).

 

[Von Shadow]

At the moment for a semi-casual player - i kinda want to get involved in PP but there's no real benefit ....
Right now i'm happily sat at Rank 4 with just a couple hours needed to gain enough merits undermining to maintain this rank...
The core mechanics offer little in attractiveness for this .... i can accumulate another 2000 merits or so doing expand/control/fort 'work' but it means diverting time from more lucrative gameplay

1. The ranking system needs more levels - the gap between 1,500 (achievable) and 10,000 (unachievable) is large.... maybe ranks at 3,000 and 5,000 would add incentive to keep pushing .... but not by undermining
2. Split the ranks into 2 .... have separate ranking tiers for work that contributes 'for the power' and a second for 'bringing down opposition'

That way there is a degree of incentive to play both sides of the PP game...
The balance to undermining is too strong right now ... if i could have rank 4 in 2 paths .... so 2x5m for 1500 merits working towards expansion and against our foes that'd be awesome

 

[persephonius]

Nobody is talking about a fortification bailout or anything of the sort. This discussion is about a mechanic that affects all powers equally and that makes little sense from a fluff or lore perspective (no one noticed or thought to report that a few thousand ships just disappeared).

It does not affect powers equally, this change hurts organised groups, and makes merits more effective for the un-organised masses, and rewards them.