So apparently this isnt hacking.

[Derath]

It's got to do with multiple factors, you're correct. "Profile" is not one of them. Weight, FSD class (of the jumping ship), and distance are all relevant, as well as I believe velocity (relative to the ship you're trying to jump away from) and FSD integrity. Odds are that Python was heavier than or almost as heavy as your FDL and likely running a pretty decent (if not top shelf) FSD.

How heavy is your FDL?

And again, if he was hacking and willing to be this blatant about it, you wouldn't have knocked out his shields at all. I can see how this is throwing up red flags to you, but Frontier's black box data seems to give them enough information.

I'm sure you were corrected before I got to it but incase you weren't, profile is the only factor that counts, unless you include the 3km cutoff for when masslock goes from 100% effectiveness to 0%

 

[Briarée]

Quote from there:



This said, I believe the reason for removing the video was the intend to name and shame the python in it by the OP as he appeared to be unhappy with the result of FD's investigation into the matter.

quoting the post it was responding would have been great since it was specifically aimed at a situation like this one.

also, a few post above (# 481 in the same thread), you can find the following:

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

hard to make it more clear that OP's video shoudln't have been removed, since while it might not be hack, it could (and probably is) exploiting faulty mass lock design

 

[TriumphANT]

quoting the post it was responding would have been great since it was specifically aimed at a situation like this one.

also, a few post above (# 481 in the same thread), you can find the following:


hard to make it more clear that OP's video shoudln't have been removed, since while it might not be hack, it could (and probably is) exploiting faulty mass lock design

"Bringing a YouTube video to our attention" is totally different to publishing it on the forums. Simply, you cannot say anything negative about an ED player on the forums if you give their CMDR name. That's the rule.

 

[duanedibly]

Quote from there:



This said, I believe the reason for removing the video was the intend to name and shame the python in it by the OP as he appeared to be unhappy with the result of FD's investigation into the matter.

What could possibly make you think that! /s

As Briaree has posted, my understanding is that what I posted is within the guidelines have stated, that being youtube. I havent named anyone in the thread, and according to an 'investigation' what he is doing is legit, all I am doing is showing what FD is saying is legit gameplay footage. I have contested the moderation.

All that being said. I have been contacted in game by the devs about this (and my previous orca issue) so it is getting looked at i think.

 

[Kayweg]

So apparently i was naming and shaming, as the video has been redacted, I cant think of why since it is irrefutable proof that said person wasnt hacking....

If you want the video PM me, alternatively search the elite dangerous sub reddit for the video.

FD apparently deemed the player innocent, meaning you publicly accuse an innocent player of cheating.

Preventing that is EXACTLY what the naming and shaming rules are about, what's not to understand ?

Even if the player HAD been deemed a cheater by FD, he still has the same privacy rights as everybody else.

FD deals with these cases at their own discretion, what happens after that is between FD and that player, it's nobody else's business.

This thread is a classic example of why naming and shaming rules are needed, to prevent this general lynch mob mentality.

 

[duanedibly]

FD apparently deemed the player innocent, meaning you publicly accuse an innocent player of cheating.

Preventing that is EXACTLY what the naming and shaming rules are about, what's not to understand ?

Even if the player HAD been deemed a cheater by FD, he still has the same privacy rights as everybody else.

FD deals with these cases at their own discretion, what happens after that is between FD and that player, it's nobody else's business.

This thread is a classic example of why naming and shaming rules are needed, to prevent this general lynch mob mentality.

Who is saying anyone hacked? This is legit play, merely a combat video of totally legitimate play. if you wish to see the video PM me or look for it on reddit.

 

[excalibus]

"Bringing a YouTube video to our attention" is totally different to publishing it on the forums. Simply, you cannot say anything negative about an ED player on the forums if you give their CMDR name. That's the rule.

Well I tend to agree...

I also think the main factor in its removal is as the OP stated, FDev investigated it and found no evidence of hacking... It should stand to reason that the video should not have been posted by the OP in the first place if that was the case and so the mods have done the right thing IMHO in removing it...

I watched the video and yep sure enough the python was able to jump away etc ... maybe there is a 'bug' or something that FDev are aware of but only happens under certain circumstances that allows this to occur and so deemed the player was not hacking? Only FDev know for sure what telemtry information they used for investigating and if they state it was not hacking that they could detect then I think the benefit of the doubt has to be given...

PS it is normal for the mods to remove videos where the players names are displayed UNLESS the only player name displayed is that of the poster posting his own video... As they mention in the other thread that they will be somewhat lenient about naming and shaming videos where there is proof that the person is hacking or exploiting / cheating... As stated FDev did not fine any evidence of that... so why should the video actually remain on here?

 

[duanedibly]

Well I tend to agree...

I also think the main factor in its removal is as the OP stated, FDev investigated it and found no evidence of hacking... It should stand to reason that the video should not have been posted by the OP in the first place if that was the case and so the mods have done the right thing IMHO in removing it...

I watched the video and yep sure enough the python was able to jump away etc ... maybe there is a 'bug' or something that FDev are aware of but only happens under certain circumstances that allows this to occur and so deemed the player was not hacking? Only FDev know for sure what telemtry information they used for investigating and if they state it was not hacking that they could detect then I think the benefit of the doubt has to be given...

The pilot in question has a remarkable ability of being able to reproduce this bug at his behest. A lot of pvpers have had the exact same issue with the guy, this was just the first time we had run into him.

 

[EUS]

So, a question of semantics?
If the OP had asked "Is this normal gameplay?" all would be well?

 

[Kayweg]

Who is saying anyone hacked? This is legit play, merely a combat video of totally legitimate play. if you wish to see the video PM me or look for it on reddit.

You're implying foul play already in the thread title.

You didn't post "merely a combat video", you posted an accusation, no matter how clever you think you "disguised" it, imo not very clever at all btw.

 

[excalibus]

The pilot in question has a remarkable ability of being able to reproduce this bug at his behest. A lot of pvpers have had the exact same issue with the guy, this was just the first time we had run into him.

All that aside does not matter if FDev said they could find no evidence of him hacking or exploiting (EVEN IF YOU (AND MANY OTHERS) BELIEVE HE IS) then there is no reason why the video should not have been removed by the mods for N&S

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So, a question of semantics?
If the OP had asked "Is this normal gameplay?" all would be well?

perhaps if that was the TITLE of the thread AND fdev had not already investigated and found no evidence then quite possibly it would be

 

[duanedibly]

You're implying foul play already in the thread title.

You didn't post "merely a combat video", you posted an accusation, no matter how clever you think you "disguised" it, imo not very clever at all btw.

I posted a video in which customer service said showed no evidence of hacking, I posted it as such. It wasnt supposed to be clever, it was posted to show the dichotomy of the moderation. there was some discussion about the video, and that was my goal, additionally I got contacted in game by the devs, so this thread has served its purpose.

 

[Briarée]

"Bringing a YouTube video to our attention" is totally different to publishing it on the forums. Simply, you cannot say anything negative about an ED player on the forums if you give their CMDR name. That's the rule.

again, take the context of the answer, namely MY post, asking CLEARLY about posting youtube videos on forum. this is clear.

now, let's settle this for good, last week i, along another CMDR, posted a video about a blatant hack (i posted an edited slowmo of his original vid).

both our videos were moderated, i replied the same as here to the mod, with link and quotes as i did here -> video restored.

draw your own conclusions

 

[Conestoga]

it was posted to show the dichotomy of the moderation. there was some discussion about the video, and that was my goal.

Then why didn't you just come out and say that in the first place? Instead you played coy with "legitimate videos shouldn't be removed, and this is legitimate, but it isn't really, so deal with it modtards" baloney. Weaksauce.

You called hacks, you lost. Deal with it.

 

[Deathwatch]

Then why didn't you just come out and say that in the first place? Instead you played coy with "legitimate videos shouldn't be removed, and this is legitimate, but it isn't really, so deal with it modtards" baloney. Weaksauce.

You called hacks, you lost. Deal with it.

You question one of the higher tier pvp players on there knowledge of PVP something is defiantly up here im pretty sure at least.

 

[duanedibly]

Then why didn't you just come out and say that in the first place? Instead you played coy with "legitimate videos shouldn't be removed, and this is legitimate, but it isn't really, so deal with it modtards" baloney. Weaksauce.

You called hacks, you lost. Deal with it.

If you had taken the time to read the thread rather than just troll, you would have read I got the review reviewed, maybe the system works.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Thread closed pending Moderation review.

 

[Ian Phillips]

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We do not permit the Frontier forums to be used for 'witch-hunts' or 'mob-mentality' hunting / griefing.

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