So why are we fighting again?
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They did? :S
Was that a "for now" or an absolute "we'll never gonne change it" ?
Really hope they change their minds if it's the latter.
What's Elite without the imminent danger of Thargoids or whatever special species?
Remember that they said "at the start" when that statement was made. It won't be as easy to avoid forever, but I'm sure it'll be possible.
"At the start"
I'm not - the Thargoids aren't in my neck of the woods and aren't threatening my livelihood so I'm ignoring 2.4's content so far. Only way I'll bother shooting them is if Frontier forces them upon me, but I don't see them doing that considering the whole "totally optional" nonsense.
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This is exactly my position - so far, all I've seen is non-aggression from them, except one time early on when I got a bit too close with my hardpoints hanging out; understandable on their part, given the reception their compatriots had.
I have, however, been going around killing humans who're attacking them. After all, killing other humans is what we're best at...so far, the Thargoids have been a lot less aggressive to me than those of my own species, so I'm happy to call them "neutral" if not "friendly".
I have, however, been going around killing humans who're attacking them. After all, killing other humans is what we're best at...so far, the Thargoids have been a lot less aggressive to me than those of my own species, so I'm happy to call them "neutral" if not "friendly".
Ninja'd on the jobs
So I will add:
Made some very insulting 'Yo Momma' jokes.
Has Oil.
Prefers Vegemite to Marmite.
Ah, pfew... that's a relief
Thargoid Defense Corps
From an RPing POV, it's kind of obtuse to continue to deny they're hostile.
They're alleged to have destroyed a heap of capital ships and killed thousands of people and now they're pulling ships out of frameshift and attacking them as well as hoovering up occupied escape pods.
I suppose FDev could reveal that it turned out to be INRA who did most of this purely to escalate hostilities against the returning Thargoids but if they do that without having provided any clues to the nature of this deception it will be a very, very poor bit of storytelling.
From a gameplay POV; honestly, I got nothing.
I had collected up a fair pile of Thargoid mat's and data, on the assumption that I'd need them to mod' weapons intended to fight the Thargoids, but I ended-up binning them all 'cos the Thargoids don't currently present any immediate danger to me and if that changes in future it'll be easy enough to acquire more of those doodads.
They're alleged to have destroyed a heap of capital ships and killed thousands of people and now they're pulling ships out of frameshift and attacking them as well as hoovering up occupied escape pods.
I suppose FDev could reveal that it turned out to be INRA who did most of this purely to escalate hostilities against the returning Thargoids but if they do that without having provided any clues to the nature of this deception it will be a very, very poor bit of storytelling.
From a gameplay POV; honestly, I got nothing.
I had collected up a fair pile of Thargoid mat's and data, on the assumption that I'd need them to mod' weapons intended to fight the Thargoids, but I ended-up binning them all 'cos the Thargoids don't currently present any immediate danger to me and if that changes in future it'll be easy enough to acquire more of those doodads.
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The only reason that exists is purely to experience some new gameplay in ED. There is yet no story based reason to attack them, the bubble at large hasn't even noticed we've made contact with a sentient alien race. It's kind of silly really because it's not even remotely realistic that humanity would just shrug at aliens and continue with business as usual.
The majority of players that choose to fight them is because ED is starved of interesting gameplay. For many fighting a raid boss Thargoid is like finally finding a pool of water in the middle of the dry desert that is ED's lack of gameplay variety. Meanwhile David Braben is happy to continue indulging in running ED primarily as a social experiment rather than as a video game.
The majority of players that choose to fight them is because ED is starved of interesting gameplay. For many fighting a raid boss Thargoid is like finally finding a pool of water in the middle of the dry desert that is ED's lack of gameplay variety. Meanwhile David Braben is happy to continue indulging in running ED primarily as a social experiment rather than as a video game.
Thing is, they pose no greater threat than we pose to ourselves; even if you add up all their kills, it doesn't even come close to the volume of humans killed by other humans in the same timeframe.
Most of their interdictions are actually peaceful, and they may not see it as a hostile act the way we do; it's more likely, given that there's no combat involved in most cases, that they're just curious or attempting to communicate. Similarly with the escape pods - how many times have you destroyed a human ship without even bothering to look for survivors? If they're destroying ships in self-defence (which is overwhelmingly likely, looking at all the other encounters) then saving the survivors is a more humane thing than any of us would bother with.
My point is...while none of this is conclusive, there's enough doubt there to make me hold off on pulling the trigger. With most human-human encounters, there's no doubt whatsoever.
Bugs > people.
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I think you might be missing the point
I bet we will soon meet the Thargoid faction that will give us all the reasons we need to fight them...
Yes actually that is exactly the point. Why are we getting weapons upgrades to fight the faction that we aren't meant to be fighting? Is someone at Frontier or INRA actively trying to start a war with ALL Thargoids? Should we be falling for it? What are the odds ALL humans will hold fire if the engineers keep throwing new AX weapons at us? Seems like a setup. And if it is, the least they could do would be to provide a motivation, even if it's a transparent lie.
From an RPing POV, it's kids of obtuse to continue to deny they're hostile.
They're alleged to have destroyed a heap of capital ships and killed thousands of people and now they're pulling ships out of frameshift and attacking them as well as hoovering up occupied escape pods.
I suppose FDev could reveal that it turned out to be INRA who did most of this purely to escalate hostilities against the returning Thargoids but if they do that without having provided any clues to the nature of this deception it will be a very, very poor bit of storytelling.
From a gameplay POV; honestly, I got nothing.
I had collected up a fair pile of Thargoid mat's and data, on the assumption that I'd need them to mod' weapons intended to fight the Thargoids, but I ended-up binning them all 'cos the Thargoids don't currently present any immediate danger to me and if that changes in future it'll be easy enough to acquire more of those doodads.
Whilst holding to peace, our only defense at this point is 'They haven't been caught doing it'. The big attacks. But yeah, despite being told 'it was up to us' I have little real defense to keep our Commanders from violence.
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"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it" - Jack Handey
Yes. Just Palin and all major powers.
Oh good. So you can tell me where to go to receive orders from her Imperial Majesty then? Perhaps some orders to scan the Thargoids? Or rescue Imperial survivors? How about orders to avenge our dead comrades? What about retrieving some tactical data? Or investigating the INRA bases for more information on the last Thargoid war?
Yes actually that is exactly the point. Why are we getting weapons upgrades to fight the faction that we aren't meant to be fighting? Is someone at Frontier or INRA actively trying to start a war with ALL Thargoids? Should we be falling for it? What are the odds ALL humans will hold fire if the engineers keep throwing new AX weapons at us? Seems like a setup. And if it is, the least they could do would be to provide a motivation, even if it's a transparent lie.
Ah I see what you mean now.
Perhaps FD felt they would not need to provide further motivation, as the human killer ape in general is inclined to attack and kill anything it does not understand anyway.
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the least they could do would be to provide a motivation, even if it's a transparent lie.
Outside of the game world you've got a bunch of signal sources that provide more challenging play. They are rumoured to be destroying ships, they are seen to be taking human survivors from destroyed ships, when a human ship intervenes they go hostile rather than allowing the humans to rescue their own as a benevolent act.
You have your motivation, you have the gameplay you have been crying out for since before 2.1.
On the face of it you have been given everything you asked for. It may be that there will turn out there is some way to befriend them but you are looking for more challenging AI, and you have been given exactly that. Make hay while the sun shines
The question is, why are these weapons handed to us with no further in-game, story comment. There is no plan from Aegis or one of the superpowers provided. They are just handing out weapons to the mob. I think this a bad idea, story- and game-design-wise. Besides the "story" progression so far is pretty boring.
From an RPing POV, it's kids of obtuse to continue to deny they're hostile.
They're alleged to have destroyed a heap of capital ships and killed thousands of people and now they're pulling ships out of frameshift and attacking them as well as hoovering up occupied escape pods.
I suppose FDev could reveal that it turned out to be INRA who did most of this purely to escalate hostilities against the returning Thargoids but if they do that without having provided any clues to the nature of this deception it will be a very, very poor bit of storytelling.
From a gameplay POV; honestly, I got nothing.
I had collected up a fair pile of Thargoid mat's and data, on the assumption that I'd need them to mod' weapons intended to fight the Thargoids, but I ended-up binning them all 'cos the Thargoids don't currently present any immediate danger to me and if that changes in future it'll be easy enough to acquire more of those doodads.
I guess it depends on the type of character you're RP'ing, one of my characters only attacks in retaliation(or hightails it out depending on odds), in all the USS, there is never an indication of who fired the first shot, and still little clue as to who really destroyed the human ships, I could go complete conspiracy on this, the damage markings are indications that it's thargoids, yet we know INRA have been working with Thargoid tech, and they're willing to sacrifice to get the job done, working in secret means they can't obtain materials via the usual open market, so a little piracy is not gonna be a big deal for them.