So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

I've been updating the timeline OP and the clues OP a little with the latest nuggets of info regarding the signals from the old woman's Cobra and recent events with Kahina being moved around Cemiess, Achenar and Prism. More active members here, please have a read through and PM me if I've missed anything. I read there was some speculation that the 'vain queen riding a giraffe' phrase was linked to Chi Persei? I assume because of proximity to EAFOTS and the link to the name 'Perseus'. How firm is this belief?

Also, whilst adding a reference to the latest GalNet post (Oct 14th), it just struck me that it uses the term 'stripped' in its title. It's not the first time that expression has been used in this story.

In Ishtar's descent to the underworld, she was stripped of an item of clothing each time she went through one of the gates ... I don't recollect a name or title being one of the items, although when she removed her crown, it was meant to represent her relinquishing her godhood.

I think Kahina already did that when she left her Imperial Tiara in her 'stripped' Clipper 'The Seven Veils', so I presume she won't be too worried about anything 'official' ...

Underworld, and the line "the galaxy just kind of hangs there"... I wonder if the "it" we are searching for is way below y=0?
 
The viels so far, and please add to the list:

1. Crown removed, left in the Clipper
2. Name removed, officialy now Salomé
3. Leaves ship behind
4. Captured and stripped of her freedom
5. Stripped of her title

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I tend to go low, everyone else goes up, so I prefer to go.. Erm.. Down. Anyways, not much to report from my last trip...

Z...

Unintentional Innuendo ECM activated.

I'm thinking underworld, hot. The hotter the better. Type O star, maybe?
 
The viels so far, and please add to the list:

1. Crown removed, left in the Clipper
2. Name removed, officialy now Salomé
3. Leaves ship behind
4. Captured and stripped of her freedom
5. Stripped of her title

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -



Unintentional Innuendo ECM activated.

I'm thinking underworld, hot. The hotter the better. Type O star, maybe?

I guess we can take a guess at the sentence from the trial:

6. Flayed alive
7. Decapitation
 
Ok, yes I'm aware of Empire's honour tradition and from this, cultural or social, point of view the need for formal public trial is understandable (I won't go as far as to say it's the Empire specific thing though, imagine this thing happening only with Federation official involved, it would look exactly the same).

My point is, if you are trying really really hard to cover something up and to discredit, yes, put mainly silence the only person that knows about that something, you don't (or at least shouldn't) care about public closure with social pariah and you certainly don't give him opportunity to publicly speak. You just get rid of him, manage for him to disappear, preferably with no leads to you. That's what, at least for me, doesn't add up about this.

Of course, there is a distinct possibility that the one behind this is so arrogant and egomaniacal that he can't think straight, but that would not produce that good of a conspiracy theory :) .

I'll deepen the conspiracy for you then. The political levels don't know, only those that need to know know [insert rumsfeldian bafflegab of unknown knowns here] and that's the top bureaucrats like Chancellor Blaine who really runs the Empire. They're taking advantage of Petraus's hubris and desire to rid himself of Kahina so they can rid themselves of the threat of Salmone exposing a big secret, or they are going to pull her out of the fire in the nick of time because they've been steathily manipulating Kahina to quietly do their research for them without their fingers being seen in it.

Sadly all we get is Galnet which is like trying to reconstruct history from the CNN crawl.
Then that makes us the talking heads blowing smoke 24/7.
 
If I needed to point you somewhere in our sky (without being obvious), the phrase "The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero" would be one effective way.

http://i.imgur.com/0vo.jpg

Alpha Persei (Mirfak, Algenib or Alpha Per) has about 8.5 times the Sun's mass and has expanded to roughly 60 times the size of the sun. It is radiating 5000 times as much luminosity as the Sun. Not sure how it would look in 3300 but could it be what Salome' is referring to when she took her trip to Sol (most enlightening?)
I know this is only 500LY (approx) from us but perhaps going there, or some other findings, could reveal the next clue?
 
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If I needed to point you somewhere in our sky, the phrase "The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero" would be one effective way.

http://i.imgur.com/0vo.jpg

Alpha Persei (Mirfak, Algenib or Alpha Per) has about 8.5 times the Sun's mass and has expanded to roughly 60 times the size of the sun. It is radiating 5000 times as much luminosity as the Sun. Not sure how it would look in 3300 but could it be what Salome' is referring to when she took her trip to Sol (most enlightening?)
I know this is only 500LY (approx) from us but perhaps going there, or some other findings, could reveal the next clue?

So where does the giraffe come in?
"The vain queen remembers her daughter's hero" gets you to Alpha Per without the need to introduce creatures of the Giraffidae family.

Also, (I've said it before and I'll say it again) if you have a spaceship, the LAST place you want to go to look at the stars is the surface of a planet with an atmosphere.
 
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So where does the giraffe come in?
"The vain queen remembers her daughter's hero" gets you to Alpha Per without the need to introduce creatures of the Giraffidae family.

Also, (I've said it before and I'll say it again) if you have a spaceship, the LAST place you want to go to look at the stars is the surface of a planet with an atmosphere.

The arm that extends from left to right in the screenshot above and finally points at Alpha Per, overlaps the Giraffe (one side of it). That could be interpreted as Cassiopeia riding a Giraffe.
 
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The arm that extends from left to right in the screenshot above and finally points at Alpha Per, overlaps the Giraffe (one side of it).

You misunderstand his point Mauxus...
Take this clue: "The vain queen remembers her daughter's hero" and draw your arrow. You get the same result, without the kink in the arrow.
 
I'll deepen the conspiracy for you then. The political levels don't know, only those that need to know know [insert rumsfeldian bafflegab of unknown knowns here] and that's the top bureaucrats like Chancellor Blaine who really runs the Empire. They're taking advantage of Petraus's hubris and desire to rid himself of Kahina so they can rid themselves of the threat of Salmone exposing a big secret, or they are going to pull her out of the fire in the nick of time because they've been steathily manipulating Kahina to quietly do their research for them without their fingers being seen in it.

Sadly all we get is Galnet which is like trying to reconstruct history from the CNN crawl.
Then that makes us the talking heads blowing smoke 24/7.

That's where would it intersect with my own leaky tinfoil induced suspicion, that officials (Partheus or whoever) are actually trying to learn what Salomé knows instead of silencing her. They are as in the dark as the rest of us and apart from missing Old lady (I dare not to say deceased as it's not confirmed) Salomé is the only one who knows.
 
You misunderstand his point Mauxus...
Take this clue: "The vain queen remembers her daughter's hero" and draw your arrow. You get the same result, without the kink in the arrow.

Ok. But in that case where would you start drawing the line from, on Cass? Any stars you'd pick in Cass, if you tried to draw a line directly to Perseus, you would hit at least 2 other stars on the way to Alpha Per (Alpha Per as an example). Doing it this way points at it unequivocally. Or maybe I still didn't get the point...text conversations don't really help.
 
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Ok. But in that case where would you start drawing the line from, on Cass? Any stars you'd pick in Cass, if you tried to draw a line directly to Perseus, you would hit at least 2 other stars on the way to Alpha Per (Alpha Per as an example). Doing it this way points at it unequivocally. Or maybe I still didn't get the point...text conversations don't really help.

True, but you could draw the line from Cameleopardalis to ANY star in Perseus and not hit anything else.
Unless you're using just the Alpha stars - in which case both Cassiopeia and Cameleopardalis are irrelevant and you could use the phrase "Gorgon slayer".

You could be on to something, but I'm just not a fan of any of the 'patterns in the sky' theories ;)
 
The thing I keep coming back to from the riddle is why the giraffe "remembers" Perseus. Is there something in Cameleopardalis that happens to be a remnant of something in Perseus for some reason... or are we supposed to start figuring Cephus into the equation too...

Ok, I'm out around Jaques at the moment, so just thinking out loud, but that particular wording seems oddly deliberate.
 
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True, but you could draw the line from Cameleopardalis to ANY star in Perseus and not hit anything else.
Unless you're using just the Alpha stars - in which case both Cassiopeia and Cameleopardalis are irrelevant and you could use the phrase "Gorgon slayer".

You could be on to something, but I'm just not a fan of any of the 'patterns in the sky' theories ;)

Alpha Per is the first star the vain queen remembers (looks back/hits) after riding the giraffe, but I understand your point now, thanks for clarifying.
 
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The thing I keep coming back to from the riddle is why the giraffe "remembers" Perseus. Is there something in Cameleopardalis that happens to be a remnant of something in Perseus for some reason... or are we supposed to start figuring Cephus into the equation too...

Ok, I'm out around Jaques at the moment, so just thinking out loud, but that particular wording seems oddly deliberate.

Mega-tinfoil moment...

Alpha Cass is known as Schedar.
Schedar is alternatively spelled 'Shedir'.
Shedir is 'Rides' backwards ("remembered") with an additional 'h'.
If you wanted to represent a giraffe with a single letter of the alphabet, what letter would you choose?

2155499-3d-letter-with-giraffe-fur-texture-h.jpg
 
Mega-tinfoil moment...

Alpha Cass is known as Schedar.
Schedar is alternatively spelled 'Shedir'.
Shedir is 'Rides' backwards ("remembered") with an additional 'h'.
If you wanted to represent a giraffe with a single letter of the alphabet, what letter would you choose?


I can't find a video clip to post, but this kind of puts me in mind of the explanation Rimmer came up with for the "Alien Message" in the Red Dwarf episode "Thanks for the memory". :D
 
That's where would it intersect with my own leaky tinfoil induced suspicion, that officials (Partheus or whoever) are actually trying to learn what Salomé knows instead of silencing her. They are as in the dark as the rest of us and apart from missing Old lady (I dare not to say deceased as it's not confirmed) Salomé is the only one who knows.

Reclamation was written before powerplay came into existence. From Galnet we see Cuthrick is still the prime Prism administrator and Kahina's other two Patrons are still there working under him, only the top has changed by Kahina vacating her position and Patreus marching in through powerplay. Something like the Atreides taking over in Dune, but they brought in their own people whereas Patreus changed nothing but announcing you're all working for me now. He may have Prism but the entire administration under him was put in place by Kahina. I wonder who talked him into moving the trial there? nudge, nudge, wink, wink

I don't think Patreus is the brightest bulb in the box. I see him as one of those dim types that think they're smart and are out-foxing everyone when they're totally transparent to nearly everyone else and no one ever says anything because it's better to let them think they're being clever when they aren't. His main squeeze the people's princess looks pretty dim too, they're made for each other. He's at the bottom of powerplay, made the Empire late to the party in Pleaidies and I doubt he's even heard about the Rift mystery and never looks past his nose beyond his own ambitions.

We don't know court and trial procedure, we don't know where our hero Hassan is,,,our list of known unknowns, unknown knows and unknown unknowns is hugh. Galnet is a thin source for narrative like a twitter version of War and Peace.
 
The thing I keep coming back to from the riddle is why the giraffe "remembers" Perseus. Is there something in Cameleopardalis that happens to be a remnant of something in Perseus for some reason... or are we supposed to start figuring Cephus into the equation too...

Ok, I'm out around Jaques at the moment, so just thinking out loud, but that particular wording seems oddly deliberate.

(Wrong) - Remember comes from the Latin word RECORDARE (Wrong). The prefix RE means "again", "back", (return) and CORDARE comes from COR, heart, that was once considered to be where we keep our memories (that would probably explain the origin of the expression "to know by heart"). Commanders should consider the core of the problem...hmmm...

Edit: Nope! It comes from Latin "rememorari"
 
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