Fair enough.
I understand that it is likely for people to feel that and they are entitled to do so, but I'm acting as the PR official and telling people to refrain from doing so for obvious reasons.
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At this point, pretty much so.
So you want to play in Open, eh?
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Fair enough.
I understand that it is likely for people to feel that and they are entitled to do so, but I'm acting as the PR official and telling people to refrain from doing so for obvious reasons.
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At this point, pretty much so.
Not seen a link for it - and you didn't provide one, clearly.
No one else around here searches for anything, so why should I - been having to repeat myself over in the mega thread for 9 months as no one will search for information.
If you cannot beat them ....
I hate people that post "let me google that for you" links. In your case I was tempted though...
http://thecodeelitedangerous.enjin.com/
We do have a website, and I am basically the complaint desk both on FD and our forum.
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I don't think you understand our philosophy and calling someone evil doesn't really say much other than that they deviate from the established morality.
You may interpret it however you wish, but we are not grieving.
We do not exploit declared exploits. The word exploit itself isn't negative in anyway, it is just to make use of. From what I read, it's merely expressing that others are not well-versed in knowing the mechanics of the game as members of the Code, which I don't believe is entirely true.
Man I forgot about LMGTFY !
I've got that bookmarked somewhere as well. Oh I could have had so much fun with that the past 9 months.
Thanks, for the link and the reminder
I think you need a bigger department
Going to go have a look at your website now I have the link.
If I have any questions later on, am I ok to PM you them?
That is member choice, the majority of The Code do not commit to the action in question and discourage members from doing so.
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So today members and front figures of CODE learned that they all speak as ambassadors for CODE, just like members of any other organisation that wave their flags and names about. OP had some good points, if poorly packaged.
Setting up an Anti-CODE force (call it Player Police, whatever) may just be introducing another organisation of the same type as CODE. Best solution (in my humble opinion), would be a stronger and more flexible respond of in-game mechanics to these kinds of events.
When a community goal is set up, the NPC parties benefitting or finding it detrimental should participate in its protection and blocking. And if enough trouble is amassing near stations of major powers, the Federation, Empire and/or Alliance would be sending patrols to check in on things as well.
Nonya is not an official representative of the Code, and he made it very clear.
I'll just say that, had the CG not been so time consuming to complete, I would have absolutely loved to build a cheap fighter and (attempt to help and) break the embargo.
But the sheer distance and time required meant that my involvement in the CG would be a minor contribution at most, and I did not want to loose that contribution to a greifer/pirate/blockaider/wtfever.
So, CODE, I do not find fault with your methods, only the location in which you chose to apply them. The blockading and otherwise antagonizing CG's COULD be a great mechanic, you just picked the worst CG you could possibly do this on. Short sighted, I think, on y'all's end. Though, supposedly you had your RP reasons, or what ever.
And even then, say you were interdicting around the star, that too would have been fine - but waiting to tag people after that trip is, well, a move.
Good idea, poorly (IMO) implemented. So good job with the publicity, I'll be looking for you now.
Which, if that was your goal, mission accomplished, I suppose.
But the sheer distance and time required meant that my involvement in the CG would be a minor contribution at most, and I did not want to loose that contribution to a greifer/pirate/blockaider/wtfever.
So, CODE, I do not find fault with your methods, only the location in which you chose to apply them. The blockading and otherwise antagonizing CG's COULD be a great mechanic, you just picked the worst CG you could possibly do this on. Short sighted, I think, on y'all's end. Though, supposedly you had your RP reasons, or what ever.
And even then, say you were interdicting around the star, that too would have been fine - but waiting to tag people after that trip is, well, a move.
Good idea, poorly (IMO) implemented. So good job with the publicity, I'll be looking for you now.
Which, if that was your goal, mission accomplished, I suppose.
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The reason for the blockade was:
People were having a great party, and some people got mad because they weren't invited. Every single reason they made up to justify the blockade was completely ridiculous.
That being said, I must say that I enjoyed having the risk of piracy in the event. I also enjoyed the in-game rage that they sometimes made me feel. Also enjoyed being able to destroy a couple of them. It added a little more salt in the final days of the event, a bit of thrill to the first and last 5 minutes of the voyage and the arrival. And contributed to even more player cooperation that already was, like the players policing Hutton, patrolling SC, the rallying in readdy gateway to form convoys, etc. So actually the blockade, no matter how ridiculous their stated reasons are, added some valid content to the event. It also added some very crappy content, like lolz kiddies playing Hutton bumper cars.
That also being said, I must also say that opening a thread in a "superior" tone, like they are some kind of expert owners of open gameplay who get to dictate how people should play, or some form of superior breed of ED player, when what they really do is mostly interdict single defenceless traders while flying in wings of 4, is, well, lets call it "intriguing". Even though the OP makes some valid points, the talk clearly does not match the walk.
People were having a great party, and some people got mad because they weren't invited. Every single reason they made up to justify the blockade was completely ridiculous.
That being said, I must say that I enjoyed having the risk of piracy in the event. I also enjoyed the in-game rage that they sometimes made me feel. Also enjoyed being able to destroy a couple of them. It added a little more salt in the final days of the event, a bit of thrill to the first and last 5 minutes of the voyage and the arrival. And contributed to even more player cooperation that already was, like the players policing Hutton, patrolling SC, the rallying in readdy gateway to form convoys, etc. So actually the blockade, no matter how ridiculous their stated reasons are, added some valid content to the event. It also added some very crappy content, like lolz kiddies playing Hutton bumper cars.
That also being said, I must also say that opening a thread in a "superior" tone, like they are some kind of expert owners of open gameplay who get to dictate how people should play, or some form of superior breed of ED player, when what they really do is mostly interdict single defenceless traders while flying in wings of 4, is, well, lets call it "intriguing". Even though the OP makes some valid points, the talk clearly does not match the walk.
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The Code does have rules and a hierarchy structure.
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I am a Boss in The Code and has been patrolling as the representative on FD forum for quite a while. Nonya is a regular member.
Hope that clears up the confusion.
From other threads it appears there was a bit of emergent gameplay without the help of CODE, people had a good time getting to Hutton in wings, or meeting up there and transferring cargo to smaller ships, dealing with the CODE mob either by running the gauntlet or dealing directly. It is sad, however, that the CODE idea of emergently gameplay is to go beat on other players. The analog to smashing other kids sandcastles have already been made, so it is restated here. Yes you can argue the point that the people that had their sandcastles knocked over should stop whining about it and fight back. But that was not the game they came to play.
Why don't CODE go somewhere else and re-enact Lord of the Flies with like-minded people? Or are they afraid of actual resistance?
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... only it isn't for the people cutting other peoples throat.
which they make sure by using all kinds of bugged game mechanics as described in the original post (there are more bugged game mechanics, and they are not their fault).
seriously. emergent gameplay? that was playing the game-mechanics, not playing the game. which is fine for me, and the OP gave some interesting insights (even if i knew about most of them).
but claiming being tough guys in a cut throat world sitting undestructable on a landing pad - or filling instances by anchor wings --- really?
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I played an MMO for quite some time called "Age of Conan". In it's first year or so the game was low on game content. Players started to get bored and the beautiful graphics and combat began to wear off for many. One guild in particular rose up and decided they were going to make everyone's gaming life miserable. They ganked in great numbers, griefed, blockaded areas of the map where resources were obtained or missions needed to be completed. They became so notorious that they were the scourge of the game and forums. If you logged into the game and no friends or guild mates were on you were in constant danger. The difference in Age of Conan was that the gaming community banded together. Guilds that had been at war made peace and arranged meetings. They organized and planned. They then proceeded to annihilate the entire notorious guild from existence. Kill on Sight lists were made. Players were tracked, camped, griefed and ganked into Age of Conan history. It was one of the best examples of emergent gameplay I ever witnessed in my 40 plus years of gaming. It changed the whole future of the MMO and the game came alive. Over time treaties were broken, wars were waged and peace was obtained in ever evolving cycles and the great part was none of it was required or contrived content from the developers.
CODE is attempting to be a REAL villain and threat in what is presently a totally contrived universe. Embrace it. The game will be better for it in the end. In 2008 it looked like Age of Conan was going to die, it's still around today!
Well, congrats and all, and perhaps I got a bit too personal in that part, but I was actually hoping you'd respond to the second part of my post...
I meant that the reasons for code's interference in this particular CG were very shabby at best.
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I think the OP made a rather good point somewhat circuitously: If we want to organize against pirates and racketeers then we need to communicate better.
I'd hope that the communication tools for this would be built into the game, allowing commanders to communicate and coordinate similar to how you have described. Personally I'd love to see and be part of some kind of unified response to the next time the Code try something like this.
I think you need a bigger department
Going to go have a look at your website now I have the link.
If I have any questions later on, am I ok to PM you them?
Sure, feel free to PM me.
Exploiting game mechanics is exploiting game mechanics, you can try and colour it any way you want, it changes nothing. And keep the philosophical for someone else, pirates do not deviate from the established morality, they are breakers of the law and morality and they admit it and they own it, they don't try and defend their actions by playing philosophical games to make themselves out to be the good guy or victim, they are the bad guy and they are proud to be the bad guy. You sound like the SimGuru far too often, mayhap you've chosen the wrong RP persona? And sorry, but yes, CODE were griefing, whether or not you are in grieving I have no idea.
Seriously, your member's posts reflect on the group as a whole, no matter how many times you repeat that they don't, and currently, CODE is looking like a bunch of hack using exploiting griefers. It is literally driving people away from Open and that's just suicide for you guys and bad for the game itself. I'd suggest doing some serious damage control by sacrificing some of the worst offenders to the mob but I feel that won't help at this point, you let it go too far. That's too bad, good bad guys are a great addition to the community, but bad bad guys are a detriment and need to be removed.
I just published our official response to the situation, I think it will answer.
You are free to interpret our action, but that does not establish it as the absolute truth that we must accept. We can understand how you come to said conclusion with your moral alignment, but you seem to refuse to see our alignment is very different when compared to yours.
"Good" and "Bad" are very vague and relative terms, they don't hold much water.
I have been doing damage control, but terminating people out of rage and plain complaint from agitators are not how to proceed with our own justice system, nor is it how regular judicial system is handled.
Not seen a link for it - and you didn't provide one, clearly.
No one else around here searches for anything, so why should I - been having to repeat myself over in the mega thread for 9 months as no one will search for information.
If you cannot beat them ....
Here you go - http://www.geocities.ws/josefjoey/radio_code.html