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If you are Emperor of the Planet, or anywhere. You would be spending most of your time, working out how to deal with those that want your job. That is the major issue with humans, greed, jealousy and, the need to oppose any authority, is in their DNA.
I started thinking about it, after watching the TV series "Kings" (2009), which deals with those subjects, by imagining a parallel reality, where a country very similar to USA today is ruled by a king. Quite interesting, but it didn't catch the public attention.
 
Dispute all you like. China has been a top-down state system, in one form or another, for centuries. At least they are honest about it. Following the party line, is not unique to them, is it?

The particular top-down system is the decision of the CCP isn't it? So is the single party rule...
 
I started thinking about it, after watching the TV series "Kings" (2009), which deals with those subjects, by imagining a parallel reality, where a country very similar to USA today is ruled by a king. Quite interesting, but it didn't catch the public attention.
Maybe, with a few small changes and then calling it 'Queens', it would have done better.

One assumes, the king's role, would have been the old style type. Devine right and everyone else, are subjects, sort of thing.
 
I started thinking about it, after watching the TV series "Kings" (2009), which deals with those subjects, by imagining a parallel reality, where a country very similar to USA today is ruled by a king. Quite interesting, but it didn't catch the public attention.
What king might that be? As far as I know the US is a republic. 🤔
 
That if there are issues (there are) in the top-down system enforced in China, it is still the fault of the CCP given they implemented and sustain such system.
This is really becoming a political thread.

The issue with the party. Is anyone who has a party hat on, can make it up as they go along. Those at the top, did not 'make any decisions', during the first few days, of what was going on, in Wuhan. It was the party members, within that city, that were making decisions.

Back to the Emperor question. A major issue is, what are your underlings doing and saying?
 
That if there are issues (there are) in the top-down system enforced in China, it is still the fault of the CCP given they implemented and sustain such system.
As I wrote they made mistakes. I'm purely speculating on behalf of the data we have, and some of the "strangeness" of those, but I think the local government in Wuhan decided to handle this one themselves, to please people higher up in the party. Then they realized that the situation was running out of control, and that led to Xi getting angry. Then you fire someone not important, and normally that's "case closed", but Xi realized that this could get out of control for all of China, spreading to the rest of the World, meaning the orange baby et al would get angry as well. Also having messed up handling the 2003 Sars epidemic, Xi probably decided that the best thing to do was being honest, but because the numbers were already smothered in lies, it took some time from that message until the numbers China could state became close to the real numbers.

There were 5-6 days where the data correlated 100% to an exponential function, something that is highly unlikely (though not impossible). It also might explain why the graph of number of cases looks so "strange" plotted semilogarithmic:

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Edit: It could perhaps also relate to the holidays due to the Chinese New Year, ending tomorrow.
 
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The issue with the party. Is anyone who has a party hat on, can make it up as they go along. Those at the top, did not 'make any decisions', during the first few days, of what was going on, in Wuhan. It was the party members, within that city, that were making decisions.

Yes, I didn't dispute that, I'm saying that the incentives and sanctions of the system (which again, is administered by the CCP) cause these type of issues.
 
I don’t think it’s under control yet, far from it.
Far from it indeed. Even with WHO's data not considering Hong Kong (26 cases), Macau (10 cases) and Taiwan (17 cases), the development does not in any way imply any control. More like a slight slowdown of the growth, but since it is close to exponential (in correspondence with theory), small changes to growth rate doesn't change much:

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Yes, fortunately most do not hide epidemics.
No, of course, they don't. :ROFLMAO: These days, most are not given the choice, due to the public access, to social media.

Well, the UK health minister, wants to postpone it until after the winter for; reasons.

Look. Everyone knows what China is like towards, social freedoms. But most of the rest of the world leaders, don't treat their people much differently. Any opposition, rebellion, radicals and up-starts, are all dealt with in basically the same way. China is just on a much greater scale and more forcefull.
 
No, of course, they don't. :ROFLMAO: These days, most are not given the choice, due to the public access, to social media.

No that can't be it, chinese have ample access to social media even with their ban on many western platforms.

Look. Everyone knows what China is like towards, social freedoms. But most of the rest of the world leaders, don't treat their people much differently. Any opposition, rebellion, radicals and up-starts, are all dealt with in basically the same way. China is just on a much greater scale and more forcefull.

Perhaps but the public knowledge of an epidemic doesn't fit any of those categories.
 
There are some interesting pieces out on North Korea. Been thinking about that place, because we are going to get very little info out of there.


The death rate is likely to be much higher in such conditions, but the environment is much more rural than the rest of the world. So the spread may be slower.
Because of the porosity of the border with China, it's more than likely that the NK population will end up forming a resevoir of infection that continues to hit China, and then menaces South Korea as people flee across from the advance. This is obviously going to result in some draconian border control efforts.
 
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