Sorry not gonna play with you .. never will go out in open. Too many gonkers out there and people who just want to annoy me. I hate people who annoy you.
Some thoughts on open only PLAY and how to make it more lucrative
- Thread starter Dragsham
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I really wouldn't like Open to have any advantages compared to the other modes.
All of these threads suggesting incentives to get people to play in Open suggest, that Open mode is the intended way to play Elite. That suggestion though is wrong.
Elite has three modes. All are viable and the intended way to play the game.
There won't be any difference to payouts or any other benefit to Open play because Frontier does not intend to get people to play in Open mode and therefore won't add an incentive for that.
Three modes, all equal concerning gameplay mechanics.
I think there has been in the past to a small extent. From what I heard, I think the drop rates were higher in Open during the Dangerous Games, for example. I didn't make it back from the Crab Nebula Expedition in time to help SEPP unfortunately, and didn't feel like collecting the free meta drops of items – decidedly not why I play the game, but to each their own in that regard.
Either way, I agree that the modes should just be for player instancing and that the game should otherwise be the same. Maybe the NPCs could use some balancing, but just the same, a hot area in the game because of players shouldn't mean the same for the game overall. The player meta doesn't make the game, nor should it. It's the other way around.
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I speculate that solo was implemented at the time due to technical limitations of the number of players per instance.
If the non-social (don’t mean that in a bad way) players could opt out, it increased the chance that players that want to play together can find each other in the same instance.
If the non-social (don’t mean that in a bad way) players could opt out, it increased the chance that players that want to play together can find each other in the same instance.
It is viable, but some people like to have the choice.
I agree with much of what the OP suggested, and would add:
Ships should lose a couple/few levels of engineering during rebuy.
This would tend to reduce the number of people flying around with all G5 components and reduce the disparity (total dominance) of these fully engineered folks who can be over-aggressive vs. PVE folks because there’s minimal risk of losing your time investment in an all G5 ship.
You’d still see plenty of ships engineered from G1-G3, because that’s relatively affordable to re-engineer after death once you’ve pinned plans.
Also allying with a power/faction should have far more serious consequences. There should be a separate independent notoriety with each power. It should be difficult to function in enemy space. At the low levels of factional notoriety you should have reduced access to services in “enemy” bases. Also notoriety increases you should be denied landing privileges at enemy bases. Once notoriety gets high enough you get attacked by enemy system security on sight.
This means that there are consequences for developing notoriety and its dangerous to be in enemy space.
Conversely you should be relatively safe from your enemies in friendly space.
Gankers/griefers will quickly develop notoriety everywhere and will need to retreat to anarchy systems between incursions into civilized space.
Pirates become the skill profession, because in order to survive you need to be able to engage your victims without killing them and gaining notoriety.
You should only be able to gain rank in one power. ie. If you pursue imperial rank you should not be able to simultaneously gain Federal rank, and vise versa. Switching sides should be a big deal with major consequences. Nobody should have both a cutter and a corvette. And if you lose your rank or affiliation, you should no longer be able to buy or REbuy ships from that power.
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Ships should lose a couple/few levels of engineering during rebuy.
This would tend to reduce the number of people flying around with all G5 components and reduce the disparity (total dominance) of these fully engineered folks who can be over-aggressive vs. PVE folks because there’s minimal risk of losing your time investment in an all G5 ship.
You’d still see plenty of ships engineered from G1-G3, because that’s relatively affordable to re-engineer after death once you’ve pinned plans.
Also allying with a power/faction should have far more serious consequences. There should be a separate independent notoriety with each power. It should be difficult to function in enemy space. At the low levels of factional notoriety you should have reduced access to services in “enemy” bases. Also notoriety increases you should be denied landing privileges at enemy bases. Once notoriety gets high enough you get attacked by enemy system security on sight.
This means that there are consequences for developing notoriety and its dangerous to be in enemy space.
Conversely you should be relatively safe from your enemies in friendly space.
Gankers/griefers will quickly develop notoriety everywhere and will need to retreat to anarchy systems between incursions into civilized space.
Pirates become the skill profession, because in order to survive you need to be able to engage your victims without killing them and gaining notoriety.
You should only be able to gain rank in one power. ie. If you pursue imperial rank you should not be able to simultaneously gain Federal rank, and vise versa. Switching sides should be a big deal with major consequences. Nobody should have both a cutter and a corvette. And if you lose your rank or affiliation, you should no longer be able to buy or REbuy ships from that power.
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I do wanna stress to those who don't read well, that my Op suggestion isn't make open better.
I suggest OPEN ONLY.
there said it. Again...and again.
Some intellectuals are biased towards any change preferring instead to dilute a game into niche entitys. There's no grand game. No interaction whether it's combat or otherwise.
Just batshit crazy doods hoping for an encounter....well we ain't all like that.
My proposal was met with predictable derision and helping additions. Then sidelined due to partiality.
Ha I get it. Let's not change the status quo. Knowone wants systems flipped by errant pvpers in droves.
Knowone wants their home system attacked by aforementioned.
I get that I too am wing based and enjoy the content for what it is..
But there is no galaxial population to speak of.
Everyone is solo. And for good reason.
That's the flaw.
I suggest OPEN ONLY.
there said it. Again...and again.
Some intellectuals are biased towards any change preferring instead to dilute a game into niche entitys. There's no grand game. No interaction whether it's combat or otherwise.
Just batshit crazy doods hoping for an encounter....well we ain't all like that.
My proposal was met with predictable derision and helping additions. Then sidelined due to partiality.
Ha I get it. Let's not change the status quo. Knowone wants systems flipped by errant pvpers in droves.
Knowone wants their home system attacked by aforementioned.
I get that I too am wing based and enjoy the content for what it is..
But there is no galaxial population to speak of.
Everyone is solo. And for good reason.
That's the flaw.
Agreed (OP). And I would say to all the solo folks out there: I don’t want you in open so I can prey on you. In fact, the changes described above primarily make life a lot tougher on griefers/gankers. I want you in open because you are doing interesting stuff and it would improve the game in many ways (see OP) if you are there to interact with. I often could use your help (or ideas), and sometimes you may need mine.
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I'm not talking about forcing anyone.
Brabans ideal was a galaxial population of all kinds of folks. We have that....all kinds.
But they don't interact except in pgs.
The vast majority of players choose to do so myself included because it's safer. That's a fact.
Open is deserted!
Knowone there...all playing safe silent solo alone except wingmates...is that the vision of immersion...4 to 8 chaps in discord with dailys to do as regards assets etc...is that it?
No...
We should all be in one persistent galaxy all seeing all knowing one huge entity. A populated place full of all kinds of possibilities. Gankers would be very very much a niche of harassed pushed aside marginalised hunted doods who would have far less impact because in the bubble there would be others to help.
Do think galaxial radio would be handy...in vr say...once you enter a system a radio goes live and you can hear and talk with others just like u can with wing radio.
Rant over....on meds fell off a fireblade 2 weeks ago and not fully healed.
Further to the radio thing...wow..imagine if say your running a mission and a ganker attacks... you scream for help on radio as he closes in..20 seconds later a cmdr who heard your call jumps in on the instance an bam@@ ganker got 2 to fight.. see!! Jesus this game has unlimited potential for immersion
Brabans ideal was a galaxial population of all kinds of folks. We have that....all kinds.
But they don't interact except in pgs.
The vast majority of players choose to do so myself included because it's safer. That's a fact.
Open is deserted!
Knowone there...all playing safe silent solo alone except wingmates...is that the vision of immersion...4 to 8 chaps in discord with dailys to do as regards assets etc...is that it?
No...
We should all be in one persistent galaxy all seeing all knowing one huge entity. A populated place full of all kinds of possibilities. Gankers would be very very much a niche of harassed pushed aside marginalised hunted doods who would have far less impact because in the bubble there would be others to help.
Do think galaxial radio would be handy...in vr say...once you enter a system a radio goes live and you can hear and talk with others just like u can with wing radio.
Rant over....on meds fell off a fireblade 2 weeks ago and not fully healed.
Further to the radio thing...wow..imagine if say your running a mission and a ganker attacks... you scream for help on radio as he closes in..20 seconds later a cmdr who heard your call jumps in on the instance an bam@@ ganker got 2 to fight.. see!! Jesus this game has unlimited potential for immersion
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I think that most people would like to play with others. Just at the moment the ratio homicidal maniacs to normal folk is a bit high. Many of the suggestions here are aimed at making Open less hospitable to homicidal maniacs.
I think if we got more fun friendly folks out there doing fun things then people would play in open without coercion.
But I do think the OP is right; limiting everyone to open would make the game better for everyone - right away.
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@Geezly
Yup that's it...
Murder should be seriously dealt with.
I touched on the consequences lightly. From system bans permit revokes to being pursued by bounty hunters these persistent killers will/should find It harder and harder ...eventually consigned to anarchy systems humbled not able to dock or repair...list goes on.
Eventual perma notoriety.
Once their in that place...moving anywhere in the bubble will result in them being interdicted constantly by spec ops bounty hunters feds security patrols and players....
Wow I would not want all that...hence me hunting them instead hehe.
Love the galaxial radio thing
Yup that's it...
Murder should be seriously dealt with.
I touched on the consequences lightly. From system bans permit revokes to being pursued by bounty hunters these persistent killers will/should find It harder and harder ...eventually consigned to anarchy systems humbled not able to dock or repair...list goes on.
Eventual perma notoriety.
Once their in that place...moving anywhere in the bubble will result in them being interdicted constantly by spec ops bounty hunters feds security patrols and players....
Wow I would not want all that...hence me hunting them instead hehe.
Love the galaxial radio thing
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It would stop console players without premium platform access playing the game at all - as they are not permitted to play in either of the multi-player game modes.
Also, "better" is a subjective term - and not all players would share the opinion that being forced to play in Open would constitute an improvement to their game.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Without fast travel any rescuer would need to already be very close to the action to be able to arrive within twenty seconds of a mayday call.
I was not aware that consoles did not have open mode