"Something for the ladies" - Feminine versions of rank titles please?

I love the fact this thread keeps resurfacing without me bumping it, it genuinely resurfaces when others find it and comment on it all on its own :)

@Blain Crighton - I think it would still be senator rather than senatorix if you look at the currently elected female members of the US Senate their official page refers to them as,and therefore their title must be, "Senator".

EG: http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=C001113

Complete list: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/women_senators.htm
 
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I never quite understood how the attack helicopter meme found its way out of highschool, but I guess that is the Magic of Internet. :)
I don't even know why "attack helicopter" became a gender joke meme. All I know is it's amusing to picture an attack helicopter as a gender option on a tick box somewhere :)

Besides, a talking attack helicopter psychiatrist would be awesome. You know you'd watch it as a TV series, don't deny it!
 
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I would be happy to support gender specific rank role text based on the current player avatar selected.
But as this information is currently not visible to other players in game anyway, I would not suggest spending time implementing it.
Just let players role-play as they want.
 
Upon right UI window initialization () {

If (player.avatar.gender == male) {
write male titles
} else {
write female titles
}

}

I can't see why this couldn't easily be done, especially since it's just a bloody UI feature that dosen't even display anywhere in game and even station greeters don't use our ranks...
 
Just a rank title.



"Hi, I'm the sheriff." "And what shire are you reeve of?"

"Hi, I'm the local marshall." "How many horses do you stable?"

Meanings of words and uses of titles change.



They have tangible effects in-game, so aren't purely honorary, even if they don't grant CMDRs and special powers of command.

Duke was derived from dux, which was originally just an informal term for leader. 34th century use of the term could easily have gone back in that direction.


So how about we change all these titles to female versions? Would you still be happy about it? afterall, it is just a honorary title...
 
Jeez even our videogames are getting taken over by PC feminists. All the things this game could have improved and we get people asking for this ridiculous nonsense.
It is a fictional video game people. Remember that. If your feelings are hurt from something so pointless, them maybe you should see a psychiatrist.

So why not change all titles to female titles, if females should be happy to carry male titles, then it shouldn't bother you to carry female titles? And while we are at it, why have the option to choose if your CMDR is male/female, just keep them all female. Should cut down on development time too to just add support for one gender. Removing the male holo me should have a bigger impact on development time than adding a female ranks where applicable, as now when they add new costumes etc only need to create one version, and since you appears to think that it is perfectly good for females to be ok to have male titles, then it should not bother you the least that you only have to use a female holo me character.
 
So how about we change all these titles to female versions? Would you still be happy about it? afterall, it is just a honorary title...

Wouldn't be fussed at all if they did.

The only thing I want is an explanation of the ranks in general, as in all the Galnet Articles the Imperial Military Personal use regular (western) ranks such as Sergeant,General and Admiral.

What is the History and Original of the Imperial Naval reserve ranks, when the Empire is functionally Late Roman in structure, with the Senate and Patron Client system but topped off by a Eastern Style Imperial Family, and at least three military Forces , the Imperial Guard, the Imperial Navy, Imperial Naval Infantry that use Modern Western rank structure unrelated to the Feudal titles awarded

I love the fact this thread keeps resurfacing without me bumping it, it genuinely resurfaces when others find it and comment on it all on its own :)

@Blain Crighton - I think it would still be senator rather than senatorix if you look at the currently elected female members of the US Senate their official page refers to them as,and therefore their title must be, "Senator".

EG: http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=C001113

Complete list: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/women_senators.htm

Just going from the Latin, since the Empire is Pseudo Space Rome, but again a gendered title that has become genderless, so thanks for the link
 
And any change would have to affect Faction NPCs as well

Is it the name or appearance that could dictate Gender I wonder?

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Evening all,

Sorry if this comes across as a random point, this isn't something I am requesting for my benefit as I am a beardy block IRL as is my CMDR in game, but "Duchess" "Princess" and "Queen" ranks is something I'd like to see added to the game as a QOL improvement for our female players... or female characters.

I know some real life blokes who RP a female CMDR in game, and I also know some ladies who play a female character in game, but all of them get lumbered with "Duke" "Prince" "King" etc for naval ranks, can we make this thread fairly active to keep it bumped as coordinated effort to persuade FD to say "OK point taken - we'll put this in as one of the minor changes in 2.4 / 3.0".

I think it would wholly unreasonable to expect them to jump on this immediately, but it would be nice just to see FD say they'll end the unintentional discrimination against out feminine CMDR's in a reasonable time frame.

TL-DR chime in on this thread to keep it bumped to the top if you want female rank titles to be made available to female CMDR's ( and NPC's?)?

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Props to akr for this contribution


Although earl as applied to female players would need revised as the Lady title is already used as the feminine equivalent of Lord.
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I am not a female in any case, however I do strongly agree with your suggestion. the current titles are a bit gender biased at current. +1 from me! :)
 
I thought about this too recently.

They could add a little radio button to the Holo-Me which asks you which gender titles you'd prefer.

That way it's up to you how to combine appearance with identity.
 
Hello, Jayridium. :)

Seems relatively easy for FD to do, harms nothing and no-one in any way at all and makes some players happier. +1.
 
I seem to remember a past iteration of this discussion where there were female members asking for these not to be introduced, but rather have gender-neutral names. I think so many female gamers have had bad experiences from sad gits after their gender had become "outed" so to speak.
 
Before I say anything else, Im fine with this and I like the radio button idea too. Seems like a good idea to me. It also seems strange that I could be talking to King Sue instead of Queen Sue ( please dont post that Johhny Cash song, lol )

These titles are military titles and its the way of the Imperial Navy. Dont confuse those with political titles. I believe if you check, you will find that women in political roles in ED have their respective female titles. Of course, on the Federation side, the titles are less male oriented because that is the way of the Federal Navy. So, its not really bias and by doing this, it would be going against the lore of the Imperial Navy and their way of life. So its not really bias, its just the Imperial Navy way. But like I said above, I am fine with this change should FDev go that route. (And I never heard of no boys named Sue except in a song) So, it makes sense in "our" modern day world to make the change. BTW, Is KING a military rank? Is it the same as a Admiral? I always wondered about that. So Im fine of you let me call Sue a Queen. ;) Ahhhhh. ya, those in game images have me confused sometimes about who I am actually talking to. lol But to each their own I always say. :)
 
[...] by doing this, it would be going against the lore of the Imperial Navy and their way of life. So its not really bias, its just the Imperial Navy way.

Hello, Mr Kyle. :)

Your support for the idea is noted and appreciated. The widely-offered arguments you mention, though...

It strikes me that the entire lore argument boils down to "we've never done it before, so we shouldn't do it now, even though we can't actually think of any particular reason not to and most of us don't especially seem to mind, either way". Honestly, even if I was in favour of the status quo, I'd really have a job selling this one.

Institutional bias is still bias. Regardless of how any of us might feel about this question, "it's their way" offers no argument, excuse or defence of any sort. Inherited prejudice is at least as wrong as any other kind of bigotry, if not more so.

From a lore perspective, while there's obviously no imminent danger of a pro-slavery institution ever achieving anything approaching modernity, the Imperial Navy's pretence that only men fly starships deserves only outright mockery from every last one of the Empire's own citizens.
 
Hello, Mr Kyle. :)

Your support for the idea is noted and appreciated. The widely-offered arguments you mention, though...

It strikes me that the entire lore argument boils down to "we've never done it before, so we shouldn't do it now, even though we can't actually think of any particular reason not to and most of us don't especially seem to mind, either way". Honestly, even if I was in favour of the status quo, I'd really have a job selling this one.

Institutional bias is still bias. Regardless of how any of us might feel about this question, "it's their way" offers no argument, excuse or defence of any sort. Inherited prejudice is at least as wrong as any other kind of bigotry, if not more so.

From a lore perspective, while there's obviously no imminent danger of a pro-slavery institution ever achieving anything approaching modernity, the Imperial Navy's pretence that only men fly starships deserves only outright mockery from every last one of the Empire's own citizens.

It's not really a pretense that only men fly starships though. What you're missing is the fact that Imperial language has shifted. It's not surprising that over 1,000 years the meaning of words might alter somewhat, in fact the surprising thing, and this is probably simply a conceit for our benefit, is that language from 1,000 years in the future is actually comprehensible.

In this case the shift is in the gendered nature of certain tltles. The male derivations have not been used in ignorance of the role females have played in building the empire. Females have simply coopted those titles for themselves as well, and it started happening so long ago that by now it's the new normal.

If a woman is the Emperor (not Empress) and everyone is OK with this, Emperor is no longer a patriarchal term because in this setting it no longer carries that exclusivist presumption. It only carries that presumption with us in the 21st century because "that's how it's always been done." In the Empire, it's done differently. Gender has no bearing on title in the Empire. We're not used to it, but this is the normal in the Empire.

If a woman can be called Emperor and no one bats an eye, then no one in this setting is concerned in the slightest about titles such as Duke or Baron also be used by females, or even any concept that it was ever done any other way. In Imperial use these are clearly NOT gendered terms. And that is truer equality if you stop and think about it than assigning each gender their own arbitrary exclusivist title -- for one thing it overruns the whole problem of intersex, transgender, gender dysphoria, etc. If you're capable of holding the rank of Duke, you're given the rank of Duke no matter how you go pee and dividing Imperial ranks by such a silly standard doesn't even make sense to Imperials.

Clearly Imperial feminism chose a different path than 21st century Western feminism in terms of how to approach the overall question of cultural and mental equality. I would argue in favor of Imperial feminism, the true equality of neither lowered expectations nor lowered privilege nor separate recognized titles for either gender, is the superior way.

To put a finer point on this - if these titles are no longer gender exclusive in Imperial use, then continuing to beg the question by assuming that they are, and then trying to use your assumption that they are exclusive to prove that they are exclusive when in this setting they're clearly not, simply reveals YOUR biases. You're slapping 21st century meanings and assumptions onto 31st century imperial titles, where they don't belong.

By slapping 21st century Feminist assumptions on the Empire, you're actually putting the cart before the hourse -- and not just before but way before. 1,000 years before in fact. Do think on that please.
 
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