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It's always the time when they were young.
Was this how it went down with Hitler back in the day? People simply choosing to stop thinking? Just listening to the Fuehrer and nodding automatically?
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Wow. Okay, you owe my a drink, because I have to wipe that one off the screen
To some degree, yes. When you promise people something they are all to often willing to shed their freedoms and even responsibilities in order to achieve what they perceive as something that will enhance their lives or the lives of their offspring. A lot of people opposed Hitler, even his supporters, however, they also opposed the Jewish people as well, and felt that the Jewish people were taking their jobs. Thus Hitler became the lesser of two evils. That is why this is such an important message:
For Hitler was crazy and eventually did go after even those who supported him if they say choose to challenge his rules, or his ideas, or even his military strategy. He was a child who hated looking weak in any sense of the word and would destroy those around him that made him look as such.
As for the drink, you got it my friend. Always enjoy making someone laugh.
No, you are right. You can't. It is Human nature (all humans do this) to want to rise to the top of the food chain, even among our own people. Even in a family of four kids, you will often see one kid who pushes his way to the top however he or she can. We are driven in a genetic fashion to struggle for the best we can get. It ensures our evolution and propels society to gains. Its just that we now know better [or do we?] that an inclusive society breeds inherent interests that create gains and positive side effects that we can not fully appreciate until they are witnessed.
A lot of people [online] keep saying "well we aren't safe!" even with the Swedish thing - they say things along the lines of "look at the riot Trump was right!", and he wasn't, and even "Muslims by their very definition will kill all those around them that oppose their religion, they lay in wait until they are the predominate faction then kill!" However, I would like to argue that there is little evidence of this. Without the influx of migrants, or Muslims naturally moving into Western countries you would still have violence, you would still see criminal acts, riots, and mayhem. Human's, white, brown, red, green, or ORANGE, don't just sit around all day being kind to each other. We are all capable. It is just that we are currently focused on the Muslim's because we have made them the group of 'evil' in Western cultures. So the things they do come to light faster and we latch onto them. Once upon a time during the Cold War everything was "those damn Russian's!" And often Russian's were blamed for all sorts of different acts.
Sputnik for example, almost launched a nuclear war because American's couldn't fathom a satellite, they were sure it was a bomb. How could Russia be interested in anything other then bombing America after all? Our prejudices must be always checked and re-checked before they override our sense of humanity. Besides, by allowing migrants and immigration we learn about the culture some of us most fear, and even if for some reason that crazy was true and they had plans on eradicating all Western society, by allowing them in and allowing them to see our culture and kindness we change some if not most into becoming a portion with us, not against.
What I am curious about is how? How is America going to be great again? Define great for me agent orange. So far I don't see a lot of 'great' in any Western culture, I see a lot of good. I see a lot of trying to be wonderful, kind, and welcoming... but great would mean a whole lot more if it was defined. Like Alexander the Great? Because I am sure to those he conquered he was not great. Great Britain great? Well imperialism wasn't all it was cracked up to be either... So I am curious what Lord Commander Marmalade means by great? So far it seems he means, white, religious, and unquestioning in the face of leadership. Pretty sure there are titles for that, but they aren't great, and a few of them start with F.
The first steps on the moon ?
Tossing another one out there are ya?
Always an attempt to repeal old age, isn't it? Aren't we all pleased that Drumpt doesn't have access to any sort of anti-aging kool-aid.
Reading it now Adept. Love what happened to Milo. Sooner or later these freaks trip up on their own feet. Forget who said it, or what show it was. Pretty sure it was a pop-culture show, but the quote was "It is hard to be two people at once, sooner or later you trip on your own feet" or something very close.
While I read your article enjoy this thread about people who are upset with themselves for voting for you know who. I apologize about the website its on. Seems somewhat clickbaiter-ie but was sent to me by an upset and now turned previous Trump supporter on these forums.
Glad to see some of them are getting the idea.
While I read your article enjoy this thread about people who are upset with themselves for voting for you know who. I apologize about the website its on. Seems somewhat clickbaiter-ie but was sent to me by an upset and now turned previous Trump supporter on these forums.
Glad to see some of them are getting the idea.
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The Election of Trump has demonstrated one thing, the division of people has been slumbering in the dark for a long long time. We can call it hating in silence.
As one who experiences the fall of Yugoslavia first hand I can tell you, what we see now is exactly the same thing, the EU in all its incompetence could not stop it, and now here in the US many of the moral walls are crumbling too, while we build new walls, physically and mentally.
Walking around with a MAGA cap is fun, not because it stands of anything truthful, but because several people burst into spontaneous self combustion when they see it. People need to chill a bit down, or soon we will see something that will make kosovo and syria look like a kindergarden party in comparison.
From the ashes of that outcome a true demagog will raise, and by then it will be too late.
carry on
As one who experiences the fall of Yugoslavia first hand I can tell you, what we see now is exactly the same thing, the EU in all its incompetence could not stop it, and now here in the US many of the moral walls are crumbling too, while we build new walls, physically and mentally.
Walking around with a MAGA cap is fun, not because it stands of anything truthful, but because several people burst into spontaneous self combustion when they see it. People need to chill a bit down, or soon we will see something that will make kosovo and syria look like a kindergarden party in comparison.
From the ashes of that outcome a true demagog will raise, and by then it will be too late.
carry on
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The Election of Trump has demonstrated one thing, the division of people has been slumbering in the dark for a long long time. We can call it hating in silence.
As one who experiences the fall of Yugoslavia first hand I can tell you, what we see now is exactly the same thing, the EU in all its incompetence could not stop it, and now here in the US many of the moral walls are crumbling too, while we build new walls, physically and mentally.
Walking around with a MAGA cap is fun, not because it stands of anything truthful, but because several people burst into spontaneous self combustion when they see it. People need to chill a bit down, or soon we will see something that will make kosovo and syria look like a kindergarden party in comparison.
From the ashes of that outcome a true demagog will raise, and by then it will be too late.
carry on
Wait so are you for or against agent orange?
I want personal freedom, and Obama, Bush, Clinton never delivered that, so let's shake the bag and see what comes out of it.
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Lysander should read those articles about 4chan and Milo. I feel he'd fit right in with that crowd, despite being from another generation.
So you think DJT is going to deliver this freedom?
Good read. Thanks.
“There is a saying in the Neverland that,every time you breathe, a grown-up dies.”
― J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan
Well that's totally normal if true:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-twitter-staffer-235263
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-twitter-staffer-235263
Ouch, harsh.
Have you ever browsed /pol/? It is a cesspool of racists, homophobes, sexists and sociopaths. I might not always agree with Lysander but that's a pretty low blow, if you ask me. Lysander lysan, to me, sounds like someone who is suspicious of change and doesn't trust the government to not encroach on personal freedom. I don't know how that viewpoint relates, but, whatever.
I say this not necessarily to defend Lysander, but rather to caution against putting people who disagree with you in one bucket of "people I think are scum".
I can say, with confidence, that the Trump administration will not be advancing personal freedoms...rather, I see an evangelical bloc among his supporters and in his cabinet that would sooner limit everyone to freedoms outlined by evangelical Christians.
Pretty much this. Pence is an evangelical, and the Repub campaign always plays on evangelical issues: restricting rights is front & centre.
I mean I find his political analysis to have the same depth of analysis. That "personal freedom" shtick of his reminds me of the Anons "freedom to say anything we want, and troll anybody we want without any consequences".
Possibly...though personal freedom for me is no shtick.
Here are some personal freedom issues...
Drug legalization or decriminalization...I expect Sessions to get in the way of any states trying to legislate their own drug policies.
Racial profiling (I should be able to freely go into public without worrying that someone can profile me as an illegal alien from Mexico)...The current deportation sweep is using racial profiling before using criminal history
Free speech...though he hasn't done it, legally yet, Trump clearly has a bone to pick with the press and has made several comments that oppose the first amendment
Freedom of religion...Trump's administration is full of religious zealots who have called for sharia law-like policies of the Christian flavor
Gun ownership...possibly the one thing I don't expect to be restricted on a federal level
Bathroom privileges...GOP wants to tell people where the can and cannot poop. Personally, I think gendered bathrooms are an example of how incredibly immature we are...everybody poops!
Lysander is correct in stating that Obama and Clintion are lacking in the personal freedom department. Each of them giving more and more power to their own bureaucracy to investigate Americans without warrant or to even kill them (while overseas) without due process. Obama did pull up the reigns on the DEA from pursuing states that legalized but he did nothing to change the law. Trump could send the DEA to shut down every dispensary in Colorado and it would be completely within his legal right to do so.
I just think he is wrong to hope that Trump would advance anything in regards to personal freedom. That is just false hope placed on a seemingly chaotic character.
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Agreed. Thanks Adept.
You're most welcome. I think I need to start following that writer.
I am refreshed to hear this finally said and not immediately followed up with "well they are all scum!"
You know I had to dig to find this, but apparently this is true. The first legislation in the US that established gender specific restrooms was in Massachusetts in the 1880's, whose legislature at the time was predominately Republican. So yes, you may thank the GOP for Urinary Segregation. Granted, it was a response to more and more women entering the workplace, and given the more conservative social norms of the time segregated bathrooms was probably the appropriate response to what the public demanded.
Times change, but nothing changes ever but by degrees.
Some people are still mortified to do so in a public restroom, let alone with the notion a hot chick might be lurking in the next stall. Like most things these days, technology helps provide a coping mechanism for "The Devil's Donuts". Before you ask, yes, this is a real thing:
[video=youtube;L37-3v7DyYs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L37-3v7DyYs[/video]
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Except this is a mis-characterization of legislation such as the NC and TX "Bathroom Bills". Speaking for the TX bill (to which the NC bill was very similar)...
The bill does not criminalize individuals for their use of the bathroom.
The bill exempts private entities, including those who are leasing government property.
The bill restricts how public (i.e. State) agencies can choose to accommodate biological genders for facilities such as restrooms and locker room.
The bill allows for separate accommodations to be made.
The bill does magnify criminal penalties for violent-type crimes (murder, assault, , lewd acts with a child, etc.) committed by individuals inside such facilities.
The spirit of the law is not to restrict your run-of-the-mill transgender from using whatever restroom (they already do use whatever restroom best suits them without incident). Rather it's to prevent a small minority from forcing a majority into activities or situations with which they are uncomfortable, simply because that minority feels that it's a member of some "protected class". Indeed, the NC bill was drafted in direct response to a newly-enacted Charlotte municipal law that imposed civil penalties on any private business that attempted to enforce gender standards in its restroom facilities.
Example: Johnny wants to use the girl's locker room at school on the grounds that he feels like a natural woman. The girls, however, aren't interested in sharing a locker room with Johnny, because it makes them uncomfortable to share the locker room with someone of the opposite sex. The girls are subsequently labeled as bigots and given no choice in the matter because Johnny is in a protected class, and since Johnny is in a protected class, everyone else should be forced to be uncomfortable in spite of themselves and do what Johnny feels is best for him.
See, as much as Johnny has a "right" to use a locker room in which he feels comfortable, the girls in this scenario have a "right" to use a locker room in which they feel comfortable. The spirit of this bill ensures that State entities cannot force people into situations or scenarios wherein they feel unsafe, and specifically allows for separate accommodations for special circumstances.
When the city of Houston, TX tried to enact legislation similar to that enacted by the city of Charlotte mentioned above, it was shot down by the people with a heavy majority vote. This being in an extremely liberal city. The fact of the matter is that many people (by all indications, most people regardless of what side of the isle they are on), are not interested in putting themselves out to accommodate a small, vocal minority who feels they have a right to impose themselves on everyone else. It mostly centers around women, who in my estimation tend to have a greater desire for gender-specific privacy than men.
I know most people like to talk about legislation without actually reading the legislation. Here's a link to the Texas Bill
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/billtext/pdf/SB00006I.pdf
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