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The US "footing" the bill on NATO through outsized military support is not some altruistic endeavor. It ensures the US gets the last say in everything, can go on with whatever it wants despite member opposition (Iraq War) and it generates massive profits for the military-industrial complex.

This whole line about getting the rest of NATO to pay their fair share is more about blaming foreign countries for America's problems and capitalizing on the general war fatigue felt among most Americans.

Yes - I'm aware it's not that simple - just thought it was a funny remark but not that I agree with it.
 
^^ I seem to remember a line from that old program the West Wing where the president was arguing with some European politician who was complaining how the USA doesn't offer enough welfare benefits to its citizens.

His response: "It's a lot easier to be generous when someone else is paying your defence bill for you".

This is actually almost the only thing where I kind of agree with the US position that other nations don't pay enough to the NATO defence capability, although I don't believe the two things should be mutually exclusive.

The US "footing" the bill on NATO through outsized military support is not some altruistic endeavor. It ensures the US gets the last say in everything, can go on with whatever it wants despite member opposition (Iraq War) and it generates massive profits for the military-industrial complex.

This whole line about getting the rest of NATO to pay their fair share is more about blaming foreign countries for America's problems and capitalizing on the general war fatigue felt among most Americans.


Moreover.
The US is not exactly Honest here anyways.
The US ever since the Cold War has been working towards preventing EU and Russia from getting along.

The USA "Protecting" Europe is not because Europe is weak or because Europe would be attacked by Russia.
Its because to the USA the mere tought of Europe getting along with Russia is an complete nightmare.

If Trump were to win out. And the USA would Withdraw their Troops from Europe and End their Nato Membership.
The EU would likely Pay an Increased Defense Budget. But it would also befriend Russia to simply reduce the Risk of War in the First Place.
And Russia would be more than willing to be Friends with Europe.


Russia would love to have an similar Position to Europe as Turkey or Saudi Arabia has. Where Europe just looks away at the "Breaches of Western Values" and otherwise does Trade and Business with them.
Russia has nothing to Gain from Attacking Europe either. Russia knows even if Europe was alone. Because even if they somehow managed to Beat Europe in a War. They would take such Devastating Losses and would Face such immense Cost from Nukes etc that they would never break even afterwards.


But this is an Nightmare the USA. Because if Russia and Europe started dealing with each other. This would not only mean huge economic losses for the USA.
It would also mean that an Alliance of Europe and Russia became possible. And with that the Power Position of the USA would be a thing of the Past.



Even now. The USA is not really caring about the remaining Nato paying "their Share"
The USA dont actually want Germany to have an 90 Billion Defense Budget which Surpasses Russia and thus means that Germany alone could "Protect" the EU from Russia.
Because this would make the USA Powerless.

The USA wants to solve internal troubles by pointing its finger.
And it wants the smaller Countries to offer more Manpower for the USAs Wars on Terror and whatever.
Most of all however. The USA wants to make sure that the Nato remains the most Powerful Alliance on Earth with the USA being the Leader.
Because the USA dont want to be weaker than an Alliance of China/Russia for example.



In a Sense its Hilarious.
If Germany would Increase its Defense Budget to 2% of its GDP. And thus get an Budget of 80-90 Billion.
I am pretty sure. Quite a few Nato Allies would be "Concerned" to say the least *gg*
Albeit I would rather Enjoy it to have an 500-600k Strong Military with 3000-5000 Tanks again :p
I would love to see the Newspapers from Britain and Russia talking about how Germany is Preparing for World War 3 and wants to Conquer the World again xD
 
Yes - I'm aware it's not that simple - just thought it was a funny remark but not that I agree with it.

Ooops, I was aware of the humor...sorry, the day's current news has me pretty serious and amped up.

In the back of mind, I'd always thought of the Russian connection being less significant than what was being reported. I've grown cynical with hype in the media. But now? Really coming to grips with a traitor sitting in the Oval has got me angry in an way I haven't been since I graduated college during economic turmoil.
 
The US "footing" the bill on NATO through outsized military support is not some altruistic endeavor. It ensures the US gets the last say in everything, can go on with whatever it wants despite member opposition (Iraq War) and it generates massive profits for the military-industrial complex.

This whole line about getting the rest of NATO to pay their fair share is more about blaming foreign countries for America's problems and capitalizing on the general war fatigue felt among most Americans.

Wouldn't it be nice if you had a president (and political party) promising fewer guns and more butter?

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Ooops, I was aware of the humor...sorry, the day's current news has me pretty serious and amped up.

In the back of mind, I'd always thought of the Russian connection being less significant than what was being reported. I've grown cynical with hype in the media. But now? Really coming to grips with a traitor sitting in the Oval has got me angry in an way I haven't been since I graduated college during economic turmoil.

I recommend reading Charles Stross's blog about Trump's cabinet. He's not just Russia's boy, but a president who was bought by real billionaires wanting to delay the transition away from fossil fuel because they are sitting on a massive fossil fuel asset bubble.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if you had a president (and political party) promising fewer guns and more butter?

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I recommend reading Charles Stross's blog about Trump's cabinet. He's not just Russia's boy, but a president who was bought by real billionaires wanting to delay the transition away from fossil fuel because they are sitting on a massive fossil fuel asset bubble.

Oh.
Its been a while your Green Side emerged in these Topics ^^

Still. Trump being on this side is more of an annoyance than any Help.....
Thanks to him Bloating about Climate Change not existing etc. The Ecologists got an nice Excuse to not Discuss this at all.... Sigh... This Buffoon daring to talk about Science is an Joke in itself. Hes a Pox for anyone questioning the so liked Theory that Climate Change is 100 Human Made and referring to the Scientific Reports which Show that only about 2% of the Climate Change can be Proven to be from Human Exhaust while at the very least 30% can be Proven to be Natural Change which kept happening Millions of Years before Humanity even Existed.........
But Thanks to Trump even less People than before listen or research....
 
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Russia has nothing to Gain from Attacking Europe either. Russia knows even if Europe was alone. Because even if they somehow managed to Beat Europe in a War. They would take such Devastating Losses and would Face such immense Cost from Nukes etc that they would never break even afterwards.

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I fully agree with you on the point that a more powerful Europe weakens the possibilities of US influence and that can not be in the interest of of any US government. Also I share your opinion that we most certainly won't have to fear Russia attacking the EU or any of its members in an open war.

Putin is certainly a corrupt scumbag, but he is definitly not stupid. On the contrary, he is much smarter than the racist horror clown currently occupying the oval office. He is ex-KGB, probably excellent at chess and certainly knows Sun Tzu's The Art of War inside out. To quote Cpt. Picard: he can 'manipulate the circumstances with the skill... of a Romulan'. If you ever wonder what a real Bond movie style villain looks like, look at Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

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By no means he will go to war openly against any member of the EU or NATO, the risk of escalation is much to high, including the use of nuclear weapons as a last resort.

I'm rather worried that in fact he already is at a kind of covert war, with his hacker brigades as first waves, instead of tanks or airplanes. The 2007 cyberattacks on Estonia should be considered merely as a first test of that weapon, certainly the russians have learned by now, how to use it in a much more appropriate way. Espionage, sabotage and subversion (Zersetzung) is classic KGB (now FSB) field of activity and it seems safe to assume that nowadays they use the potential of the internet to do that (manipulating elections for example).

By giving hidden support to Trump in the USA, Putin uses him as a kind of fifth column to undermine the western alliance and we can expect russians trying to influence the coming elections in Europe this year, too.

As a side-effect Putins interior propaganda will be able to exploit a growth of right wing nationalist parties like the french Front National or the AfD in Germany by pointing out that the western civilization has always been of fascist nature, as happened before during the crisis in Ukrainia.

However his primary aim is certainly to hit the free trade relations between our countries, because these are most important assets of our economy and economical power is definitely the EU's most important way to gain influence. Europe is first and foremost an economical superpower.

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In a Sense its Hilarious.
If Germany would Increase its Defense Budget to 2% of its GDP. And thus get an Budget of 80-90 Billion.
I am pretty sure. Quite a few Nato Allies would be "Concerned" to say the least *gg*
Albeit I would rather Enjoy it to have an 500-600k Strong Military with 3000-5000 Tanks again :p
I would love to see the Newspapers from Britain and Russia talking about how Germany is Preparing for World War 3 and wants to Conquer the World again xD

Ursula von der Leyen already announced the necessity to raise Germany's military budget, so it seems very likely to happen. But I don't agree with you that this might be a reason to be 'concerned' for any neighboring countries government. More than 70 years have passed since the end of the last world war and it should be very obvious that Germans generally do not have ambitions any more to invade other countries. Also since at least the Iraq war of 2003 it should be clear that Germany does not move its army easily.

[video=youtube;_k_QbpFl7RM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k_QbpFl7RM[/video]

As long as the Federal Republic of Germany exists, its politics has always been defined by two cornerstones: 'No more war!' and 'No more holocaust!'.
So if the Bundeswehr ever goes to war again the reason for that might only be as a means of defense (like the german involvement in Afghanistan) or to put an end to a genocide (like in the Kosovo in 1999).
 
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I have returned. Is Raw Story creditable?

I'm not sure about Raw Story, but based on what I saw in discussions around that tweet is that this is not atypical sensationalism for that former NSA guy. He's not a journalist so I would take anything he says about what someone else told him with a grain of salt.

Also, I think it is immaterial to the national conversation. We want to know who all is involved, to what extent and for how long...whether that leads to putting Trump behind bars, I don't care. We've got moles find and destroy.
 
Wow - I just found this thread and have to say...

I'm an American and I'm not apologizing.

America is great at somethings, and awful at others, because its people are human and make mistakes. Same can be said for any country.

But when someone makes a mistake it's not my job to apologize for them...

Just like I don't expect all Germans to apologize for the mass murderer Hitler every time we meet.

That said, anyone who thinks Obama, Trump, Clinton, and Bush aren't ALL horrible is drinking too much of their own cool aide.

And if you think Clinton and Trump were the two best candidates from each party you should start rehab.

The problem is simple - you have to be rich to run for major office, and that's how we ended up with Bill Clinton, George Bush and Barrack Obama, three proven horrible presidents.

Not until the US refine's its election laws so the best people can run will we have a better chance at quality candidates.

However, since every other democracy on this planet has the same issue, I'm not going to hold my breath.

Don't apologize for crappy politicians, change the system so higher quality citizens can run for office

You guys gave the world ZZ-Top. That makes up for many many Trumps.
 
Whatever the legal case is, here is one obvious fact - we're dealing with a complete idiot who has inadvertently admitted complicity in this.

Tweet 1:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831830548565852160

"The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred"

Tweet 2:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331

"The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy."

Either this is so called "fake news" created by liberal media hating machine, or it is a security leak. It can not be both. Trump appears to confess that it is such a leak which gives the stories credibility.

It is entirely possible that this is the stupidest man to be in charge of the United States in the entire history of that country.
 
Whatever the legal case is, here is one obvious fact - we're dealing with a complete idiot who has inadvertently admitted complicity in this.

Tweet 1:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831830548565852160

"The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred"

Tweet 2:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331

"The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy."

Either this is so called "fake news" created by liberal media hating machine, or it is a security leak. It can not be both. Trump appears to confess that it is such a leak which gives the stories credibility.

It is entirely possible that this is the stupidest man to be in charge of the United States in the entire history of that country.

I watched his presser with Benjamin yesterday. I'd wondered if he'd just used the "simpleness" of his language for his core supporters...nope...wrong...The guy is dumb as nails and can't get out one, not one cogent sentence that was at all a result of critical thinking. He is like a lizard, just reacting to stimuli.
 
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Whatever the legal case is, here is one obvious fact - we're dealing with a complete idiot who has inadvertently admitted complicity in this.

Tweet 1:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831830548565852160

"The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred"

Tweet 2:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331

"The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy."

Either this is so called "fake news" created by liberal media hating machine, or it is a security leak. It can not be both. Trump appears to confess that it is such a leak which gives the stories credibility.

It is entirely possible that this is the stupidest man to be in charge of the United States in the entire history of that country.

Aye.
He is roflstomping Busch with astounishing ease.
And thats quite a feat as Busch held the title of the darkest bulp in the house for about 2 decades....
 
US President Donald Trump promised today that he would introduce a new Immigration Decree the next week. "We are in the process of publishing a new decree for the next week which will fully protect our country"
 
US President Donald Trump promised today that he would introduce a new Immigration Decree the next week. "We are in the process of publishing a new decree for the next week which will fully protect our country"

Will he read it this time?

If he does, can he comprehend it?
 
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