Space Legs: Completely Missed the Point

[Fenwe]

Well, I run a YouTube channel that is mainly ED content so yeah I advocate. But in no way does that stop me from criticising aspects of the game when I think it's justified. I've done my fair share of that.

But in Elite Dangerous, before Odyssey, we were landing and taking off from the same starports and platforms. While the settlements are similar, the gameplay is never the same outcome twice.
If you don't like the game, no-one is forcing you to play. If you don't play, then why hang out here on the forums if not to just criticise others just because they don't share your views or opinions?

I personally couldn't give two hoots about ship interiors. That will also be about waking around the exact same rooms in the exact same ships.

There's nothing cute here. Too many people expect THEIR personal needs to be met by the developers, then bewilderingly get uppity when it isn't. It's bizarre.

I'm with you 100%.

The thing is though that what the walking around the cabin people really wanted was 'housing', from what I've read. Personally owning my own space station would be cool, though I'm not willing to take the time to join a squadron and get that done.

I've played MMOs with housing. I've never understood the attraction.

In many ways FDev missed the boat with integration and they ran into a reef with the way they went about the release.

But once the bugs got ironed out enough for me to be able to play consistently. I'm having fun.

Of course we also have people whose PCs don't meet the minimum specs and those others who very firmly believe that any change is a bad one causing churn, but what the heck.

 

[The Atlas]

Firstly not all CMDR's wishes are the same so I can only assume you don't like it that they haven't done what YOU wanted.
As for FDev being deaf to CMDRs wishes... that's just not true. You must be a 'ship interiors' advocate Oooh yeah lets wander around some rooms and look around - oh the excitement.

how much they payin' you?
idc bout ship interiors, but i support those who want, but if you came here to say fdev listen to players, well, check the forums if you haven't yet.
even better, check the patch notes and the issue tracker

 

[Ydiss]

how much they payin' you?

If they want to pay me, send them my way.

 

[The Atlas]

If they want to pay me, send them my way.

i'd like to get paid too, if i get the contact ill gladly share

 

[Fenwe]

how much they payin' you?
idc bout ship interiors, but i support those who want, but if you came here to say fdev listen to players, well, check the forums if you haven't yet.
even better, check the patch notes and the issue tracker

Because forums are filled with nothing but happy gamers? For any game?

It is the unhappy gamers the squeal the loudest, which has a tendency to skew things incorrectly.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

how much they payin' you?
idc bout ship interiors, but i support those who want, but if you came here to say fdev listen to players, well, check the forums if you haven't yet.
even better, check the patch notes and the issue tracker

I do find it very funny when someone who criticises the game, comes up with someone with an opposing opinion, the go-to position is to assume they're a fan boy or that their in FDev's pockets or something along those lines. Check out my livestreams and you'll heard me get frustrated and annoyed with some of the bugs and the way things work (or don't) in Odyssey. I don't feel the need, as others do, to rant about it all the time, but I'll speak up for it when it's warranted and I'll criticise when it's warranted.

If I did work for FDev and I frequented the forums as part of my job, the last people I would pay any attention to are those who troll and whinge and wouldn't know constructive criticism if it hit them in the face.

If ship interiors ever happen, that would be great. But if not, I won't lose any sleep over it. There are players out there who literally just want to sit down in their ship and look out of a window, or have a 'drink' at the bar on a concourse. To me that's just silly nonsense. Ok you can admire a view from a window for a little while but if you can't, it should never be a deal breaker.

ED players have gone for years without interiors and now, since Odyssey's release, it's get shouted about even more because people felt it naturally should have been included.
People screamed out for space legs. They got them. I guess that was Frontier not listening eh?
Now they have them, it's ship interiors. If ship interiors arrived tomorrow, they'd HAVE to find something else to whinge about. They will never be happy.

It is literally impossible to please or accede to all CMDR's wishes. It can't be done. People have to learn that the game isn't going to be moulded around THEIR specific expectations or requirement. In most games, players have no say in the game development. You get what you're given.

Consider yourself very lucky that Frontier interact with the player base as much as they do. I think some people have been spoiled now to the point where they expect Frontier to do what they say or else.

As for 'check the forums'.. well I rarely come here and the reason for that is that a lot of it is such a cess-pool of over-opinionated moaners and the actual constructive comments from reasonable people get buried in all of that.

 

[The Atlas]

I do find it very funny when someone who criticises the game, comes up with someone with an opposing opinion, the go-to position is to assume they're a fan boy or that their in FDev's pockets or something along those lines.

you assumed i was a ship interior advocate, i can't assume but you can? noted
my critic was towards the company, you came like "nonono u wrong u advocating for interiors" and my point wasnt even interiors XD?

If ship interiors ever happen, that would be great. But if not, I won't lose any sleep over it. There are players out there who literally just want to sit down in their ship and look out of a window, or have a 'drink' at the bar on a concourse. To me that's just silly nonsense. Ok you can admire a view from a window for a little while but if you can't, it should never be a deal breaker.

do you know where else can we do that? YES, SPACE STATIONS, they are the same "waste of time" but on lesser framerates, everything i do there i could do from my ship inside station menu, so why not ditch them also? If it's the same, why not both? would it hurt to make a part of the playerbase happy or at least keep up with their expectations since the kickstarter? Some people enjoy roleplaying the game, let them do it, how much would it hurt to have a drink on a station or inside your fleet carrier, or inside your ship? I don't care for roleplaying but i support these who do so, as i support VR and people that want ship interiors.

But they did concourses to make the shallow gameplay of odyssey looks a little deeper it seems, and people praise, but nobody can want ship interiors cause its silly? sure

People screamed out for space legs. They got them. I guess that was Frontier not listening eh?

7 years later, they listened, sure sure!
And the implementation was chef's kiss amazing, 40 bucks for space legs and shallow gameplay, plus promises were made and delivered, right? Braben didnt even need to "apologize" in public! /s


Also, do you REALLY think they listen to the playerbase? with so many half baked stuff that for years people been complaining and ask for review and are untouched? what does makes you think they listen? bugs expiring on the issue tracker, do you think someone asked for the new UI? Funny is, you said they don't listen to whiny kids, but they aren't listening to you here either, nor the commanders i see trying to see the bright side on things, be either white knight and reasonable ones, hence my complaint, they are deaf to the playerbase.
If you want to keep believing they care and listen, its your choice, but if you quote me with assumptions and stuff not related to my critic, don't expect me to do some cohesive comment to you.

and yes they haven't done what i wanted, which was they at least keeping their word (stable release mainly(yes minor bugs could happen but this mess was unbearable)), and we both know how it ended up

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

you assumed i was a ship interior advocate, i can't assume but you can? noted
my critic was towards the company, you came like "nonono u wrong u advocating for interiors" and my point wasnt even interiors XD?

It depends what the assumption is.
Why are you making up false quotes? I didn't say you were advocating for ship interiors, I said I assume you were (or in your words "I came like")
You're 2nd line here isn't even a question, so why the question mark?

do you know where else can we do that? YES, SPACE STATIONS, they are the same "waste of time" but on lesser framerates, everything i do there i could do from my ship inside station menu, so why not ditch them also?

Not so. You can't buy suits or weapons from your ship, nor can you trade with the bartender.
What do you mean 'ditch them also' ? I haven't said anything should be ditched. Maybe wind that neck of yours in a bit and have a camomile.

If it's the same, why not both? would it hurt to make a part of the playerbase happy or at least keep up with their expectations since the kickstarter? Some people enjoy roleplaying the game, let them do it, how much would it hurt to have a drink on a station or inside your fleet carrier, or inside your ship? I don't care for roleplaying but i support these who do so, as i support VR and people that want ship interiors.

They have made part of the playerbase happy. Seemingly not the part you're in. It's you that you want made happy. Having a drink on a station, seriously? All that would be in an animation. Yeah, you support everyone don't you? Trying to get them on your side. You might as well support those who don't need ship interiors too then you have most of your bases covered.

But they did concourses to make the shallow gameplay of odyssey looks a little deeper it seems, and people praise, but nobody can want ship interiors cause its silly? sure

What? This is a fact is it? This is the official reason as to why they did concourses or is it just your opinion? Seems to me that if space legs was going to happen, a concourse was essential to that. "Nobody can want ship interiors cause it's silly" - Again you're just making up things you think I said. If you can't interpret something properly, perhaps you shouldn't be trying to re-quote them. I seem to recall saying that if the eventually do ship interiors, it would be great but if they don't, I won't lose any sleep over it.
And I've never said ship interiors are silly. Be careful twisting my words or just making stuff up.

7 years later, they listened, sure sure!
And the implementation was chef's kiss amazing, 40 bucks for space legs and shallow gameplay, plus promises were made and delivered, right? Braben didnt even need to "apologize" in public! /s


Also, do you REALLY think they listen to the playerbase? with so many half baked stuff that for years people been complaining and ask for review and are untouched? what does makes you think they listen? bugs expiring on the issue tracker, do you think someone asked for the new UI? Funny is, you said they don't listen to whiny kids, but they aren't listening to you here either, nor the commanders i see trying to see the bright side on things, be either white knight and reasonable ones, hence my complaint, they are deaf to the playerbase.
If you want to keep believing they care and listen, its your choice, but if you quote me with assumptions and stuff not related to my critic, don't expect me to do some cohesive comment to you.

and yes they haven't done what i wanted, which was they at least keeping their word (stable release mainly(yes minor bugs could happen but this mess was unbearable)), and we both know how it ended up

You seem to be under the impression that the playerbase should get to fully decide on the direction that the game is going and be able to tell Frontier how to write the game.
That's not how it works so sorry to burst that bubble for ya.
Player suggestions are listened to. It doesn't mean they all get implemented. Some will, some won't. I have first had experience of this when I requested for something to be removed and it was. I pressed them to act on an exploit that was being abused, they acted (ok it wasn't immediate but they got there) .
You talk like everything that everyone has ever asked for has fallen on deaf ears and that simply isn't the case.

As for cohesive comments, I don't know if you're even capable.

 

[The Atlas]

as i said, don't ask for cohesion if you are not cohesive yourself
(prob ignored that part as many other points)
but just to make one point clear, to see if you can understand.
i COULD do concourse stuff from ship if they allowed, it would be OPTIONAL to have 15fps on foot there, instead they made it mandatory, ok
but being able to drink one with friends would be OPTIONAL, not harming those who thinks its "silly nonsense"(now i am actually quoting you)
and ship interiors COULD BE OPTIONAL, be either an option to walk around or just do the kirk moment by being beamed down.
giving options like these would appeal the crowd, but seems we only deal on extremes, i don't like it so should not be here, or i like it so make it be here.

about supporting these who dont need ship interiors, i want them to be optional, so both sides would be happy.

 

[Daniel Cloudsifter]

If they want to pay me, send them my way.

Hey! Me too. I opened to being "bribed" to like something I like anyway.

Besides:

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

as i said, don't ask for cohesion if you are not cohesive yourself
(prob ignored that part as many other points)
but just to make one point clear, to see if you can understand.
i COULD do concourse stuff from ship if they allowed, it would be OPTIONAL to have 15fps on foot there, instead they made it mandatory, ok
but being able to drink one with friends would be OPTIONAL, not harming those who thinks its "silly nonsense"(now i am actually quoting you)
and ship interiors COULD BE OPTIONAL, be either an option to walk around or just do the kirk moment by being beamed down.
giving options like these would appeal the crowd, but seems we only deal on extremes, i don't like it so should not be here, or i like it so make it be here.

about supporting these who dont need ship interiors, i want them to be optional, so both sides would be happy.

I'm not asking for cohesion. Just try your best, it's all we can ask for.
I answered all the points I deemed relevant. It's called separating the wheat from the chaff.

Your idea of doing everything on the ship instead of the concourse is just ludicrous. It's mandatory because that's how the game is. No Man's Sky and Star Citizen both have things that you do outside of the ship. You talk about not needing a concourse but you want ship interiors which are even less relevant.
Drinking with friends.. LOL. Give me a break. That's not what you're doing. Yes it is silly nonsense and I don't mind being quoted on that one bit. It's banal, irreverant tosh.

How could ship interiors be optional? If they get coded into the game, you get them. You might not use them (although I suggest people will if they are there) but having them won't be optional.

What extremes are you talking about exactly? This isn't about what you or I like. It's about the direction the developers want to take the game in and while doing so, listening to suggestion (not demands) from the community. In the end the devs will, and should, take the game in the direction they see fit. That's why they're developers and we're armchair critics.

Again, you don't get to have optional ship interiors. What a ludicrous suggestion.

 

[Melvich]

And the direction they're going in resulted in nearly 70% of over 5000 reviews on steam telling them they screwed it up.

Is fair to say they completely missed the point, either in implementation and/or vision.

FailDev

 

[Franc Kaos]

How could ship interiors be optional?

Because they would be buyable DLC, so if you didn't buy them you wouldn't have them. Optional, see?
Also, the concourse is as pointless as ship internals as all those thing you do on the concourse could easily be added to the starport menu on ship.
Also also, I doubt the devs decide on the games direction but those seated in boardrooms telling the devs what to do.

 

[The Atlas]

Also, the concourse is as pointless as ship internals as all those thing you do on the concourse could easily be added to the starport menu on ship.

exactly my point

Your idea of doing everything on the ship instead of the concourse is just ludicrous(1). It's mandatory because that's how the game is.(2) [...] You talk about not needing a concourse but you want ship interiors which are even less relevant(3).

(1)that's how it was before,we repaired with a click, refueled with a click, modeled ships, bought them, change their colors, talk to authorities, all inside the ship, so why bother with the concourse? To add to the imersion (or lack of content), im pretty sure VR commanders would like to walk to concourses, but they are not getting the privilege either.

(2)thats how they implemented, but if you stop to think, you purchase modules and ships from inside your ship, you could do everything inside the concourse inside the ship if they wanted to give an option, as franc just said, instead they want you to walk to the station, being IN MY OPINION an irrelavant waste of time, but i don't condem but its for the immersion and some people like, but if it was optional most peeps would be happy, cause you could either walk there or do it on your ship.

same with ship interiors, you want to be beamed down? press disembark (or make a short way to the elevator behind your cockpit), want to walk around? walk around, it could be a choice, depending on how it would be implemented. As you said, if gets implemented, you have it, but you could CHOOSE not to use, people now can't choose to use ship interiors, that's the problem, lack of options.

(3) both are irrelevant to me, but they are not for other folks so i support it(i can still choose what to support or nah), if we have to waste time on concourses, why can't they enjoy their interiors or walk down their ships? they spoke about "getting tiring after 100 times" but won't we get tired to be forced to walk inside concourses 100 times? i don't see the logic here to be honest.

and about listening, again:

Also also, I doubt the devs decide on the games direction but those seated in boardrooms telling the devs what to do.

 

[jojon]

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So... Immersion-loving VR user here, who will themselves take the "unbroken continuity" hike most of time, but happens to consider it an absolute given that there should be full feature parity between the station boards in-ship, and on the concourse, and that players who so wish should be able to "beam" directly from flight chair to concourse, and vice versa. Until there are thugs chasing you, that you need to make a nerve-wrecking escape from, there is no reason to not have the option.

(One might also think little things such as if a mission giver sees on their holofac that their dead installation comes back on line, restoring their remote access, shortly after they set you off toward it, maybe they could radio a thank you, and wire the reward for making it so, instead of requiring you trek back to see them... want the material reward? -Get given the code for a container that holds them on-site.)

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

(1)that's how it was before,we repaired with a click, refueled with a click, modeled ships, bought them, change their colors, talk to authorities, all inside the ship, so why bother with the concourse? To add to the imersion (or lack of content), im pretty sure VR commanders would like to walk to concourses, but they are not getting the privilege either.

(2)thats how they implemented, but if you stop to think, you purchase modules and ships from inside your ship, you could do everything inside the concourse inside the ship if they wanted to give an option, as franc just said, instead they want you to walk to the station, being IN MY OPINION an irrelavant waste of time, but i don't condem but its for the immersion and some people like, but if it was optional most peeps would be happy, cause you could either walk there or do it on your ship.

same with ship interiors, you want to be beamed down? press disembark (or make a short way to the elevator behind your cockpit), want to walk around? walk around, it could be a choice, depending on how it would be implemented. As you said, if gets implemented, you have it, but you could CHOOSE not to use, people now can't choose to use ship interiors, that's the problem, lack of options.

(3) both are irrelevant to me, but they are not for other folks so i support it(i can still choose what to support or nah), if we have to waste time on concourses, why can't they enjoy their interiors or walk down their ships? they spoke about "getting tiring after 100 times" but won't we get tired to be forced to walk inside concourses 100 times? i don't see the logic here to be honest.

You're obsessed with the Concourse. Frontier gave us space legs. People wanted to walk in space stations. So to do that, they need to put in somewhere for us to go and tie some gameplay to it. And thus the Concourse was born.
How hard is that to figure out. It's the same reason bases and plants are on planets. To give us gameplay on foot.

Are you saying you'd prefer Odyssey without the Concourse?
Stop trying to be a spokesman for other people. If you're complaining about Concourses then you won't be needing ship interiors either. Clearly they'd be just as, if not more, irrelevant in your eyes. But not to the others who you support with your waving flag and protest banner.

 

[Rubbernuke]

You're obsessed with the Concourse. Frontier gave us space legs. People wanted to walk in space stations. So to do that, they need to put in somewhere for us to go and tie some gameplay to it. And thus the Concourse was born.
How hard is that to figure out. It's the same reason bases and plants are on planets. To give us gameplay on foot.

Are you saying you'd prefer Odyssey without the Concourse?
Stop trying to be a spokesman for other people. If you're complaining about Concourses then you won't be needing ship interiors either. Clearly they'd be just as, if not more, irrelevant in your eyes. But not to the others who you support with your waving flag and protest banner.

I'd argue that the concourse delivers nothing other than being able to walk about, really. There is no gameplay attached to it, its largely removed from BGS states (which would have made it really special) so its just a bit pointless.

 

[MishaTX]

Two years of development for floating in a suit instead of a ship.

Oh and space pony cats.

Enjoy.

I was on the fence about it until you hit me with the space pony cats.

Where do I sign up?

 

[Franc Kaos]

You're obsessed with the Concourse. Frontier gave us space legs.

No they didn't, they gave us landlegs! Spacelegs would include such things as 0G floating in space, exploring stuff in space, exploring ghost ships like those millenium ships, not just walking across a faux magnetic concourse to call for a lift that asks where you want to go even tho' there's only one place to go!!! SPACE-legs! Geddit?

 

[Zera]

Agreed . Exploration is DEAD now that everything looks the same. Even the stuff that was great is absolute random trash now like Jameson crash site . Just wanted to get out of my ship, now i have no reason to play the game anymore. GG FDEV..