Space Scum

[excalibus]

And here we go again: it could be, if the CMDR doing the blowing up is repeatedly targeting random people.

It's a perennial problem: one person's reasoned roleplay (not griefing) appears identical to another person's psychotic roleplay (griefing disguised as roleplay "because I want to blow things up I'll say I play a psychopath, aren't I clever!") excuse appears identical to another's "let's blow people up for the lulz" (griefing.)

There are plenty of circumstances where someone could, acting fully in-character and not pretending to play a psycho, go on a killing spree of randoms, so we can't say one way or the other based on the example given. If we knew that CMDR was targeting randoms sequentially (ed) without a reason, it'd be griefing. If they were using unreasoned roleplay as an excuse it'd be griefing. Otherwise not.

blowing up a commander once (no matter HOW MANY other commanders the player blows up once) is not griefing... Yes it IS psychopathic behaviour...

To the OP I am sure it left a bitter taste in your mouth, as it does and should... Chalk it up to experience and get on with the game At least you did not plant your 30 million CR Asp into a station wall and lose a full belly of palladium as well

It was only a viper and you had your rebuy option taken care of with the loan so its all good, you were inconvenienced the failure of 1 mission (if it was a fails on ship destruction type mission) so again no big deal... It happens, you will learn to try harder to avoid the interdiction next time I would guess... It is unfortunate that some like to play the Psychopath, its not my bag that is for sure... but meh... I have played ONLY in open since pre beta and I enjoy it... Expand your horizons, there are plenty of systems out there that have good trading, mining, bounty hunting and courrier missions available where you can make Asploads of credits

 

[Snakebite]

I have to say that while the OP is wrong to apply the term Greifer in this case I can't really defend the attacker either, I mean the OP was not wanted and the attacker was clearly not interested in piracy so it was clearly a random and unprovoked attack, I guess these sorts of things will happen from time to time. hell i've even seen NPC's attacking for no apparent reason...

I can only hope that the OP was flying in a high security system and the local cops or some qiuck bounty hunter took the attacker down before he cleared his fine.

As the title suggests, its a Dangerous Galaxy...

 

[Wilhelm Scream]

Aaagh! No, no it isn't.

Relax, the title has, shock, horror, two meanings.

 

[Bannon_Orcus]

LIFE??

Is this a joke? An ethical matter? This is a game.

There is no difference to being downed by an NPC and being downed by a player in terms of gameplay and the associated loss. None whatsoever. You lose the same ship, you lose the same equipment and you lose the same cargo. It can suck when it happens.

No-one complains when the AI decides to murder a pilot just for laughs, PvEers take that as part and parcel of the game, no problem. However, if it is a player who does the exact same act then the response is "griefer", "this person enjoys other's misery", "these actions should be shunned by the whole community" etc etc. Two completely different reactions for the same loss.

I do genuinely wonder what you guys would do if FD had kept the AI's hyper accurate aiming skills that they had in alpha, or if FD managed to actually write a real challenging 1-on-1 combat AI such that the difference in terms of difficulty between facing a human or AI opponent was generally negligible. Then everyone would be complaining about those horrible NPCs who like griefing innocent players.

Perfect answer. I like the idea that I could be randomly killed - that element of risk. If it happens, I generally switch the game off and come back later, but that WOULD be what space was like I think. There cannot be enough police to affect every part, so even in a corporate state, there would be lawless space, and this is where you could be "picked on". People have spoken about reall life.....that would be real life if we werre ACTUALLY living in the stars.....Stop wining everyone about griefers FGS.

 

[Loetmichel]

Perfect answer. I like the idea that I could be randomly killed - that element of risk. If it happens, I generally switch the game off and come back later, but that WOULD be what space was like I think. There cannot be enough police to affect every part, so even in a corporate state, there would be lawless space, and this is where you could be "picked on". People have spoken about reall life.....that would be real life if we werre ACTUALLY living in the stars.....Stop wining everyone about griefers FGS.

Another thing i think is very funny that the same people that say "its only a game, its intended mechanics, live withit" are attacking anyone that is
suggesting tha the victims of unsocial behavior should simply go solo or mobius. Seems the same imbeciles that are having fun ganking other players
"for the salty tears" are frightened of the thought that they will lose any easy target.

 

[Trueno33]

op: next time don´t get nervous and run away. A viper can outrun that silly monster of a vulture w/o problem, provided your shields can protect you from the first 3 or 4 shots

 

[Hitsuke]

Btw, what is the top speed of the Vulture? The Viper should have left it for dust

A common misconception. A well loaded Vulture tops out at 390... not much less than a Viper. The Vulture boosts well... it's just its base speed that's lacking.

An asthmatic snail tied to a brick could outrun my Vulture...

Only if you're running D rated thrusters. Get A rated on there and it boosts pretty damn well.

 

[Bidermann]

just stay away from high populated areas by CMDR,s I hardly see anybody if I do I spend 90% watching my scanner

 

[Renegade Roach]

Another thing i think is very funny that the same people that say "its only a game, its intended mechanics, live withit" are attacking anyone that is
suggesting tha the victims of unsocial behavior should simply go solo or mobius. Seems the same imbeciles that are having fun ganking other players
"for the salty tears" are frightened of the thought that they will lose any easy target.

I prefer to suggest that people stop making themselves an easy target and become better pilots. To me it is more satisfying to laugh in the face of some hapless aggressor while I hyperspace off into the sunset than to slink away to solo and make bitter posts about people's intellect and alleged psychological disorders.

 

[Iskariot]

I only started playing about 4 days ago.
Game really started to pick up once I earned enough creds to buy a Viper and upgrade the Frameshift drive so I could explore some more of the galaxy.
Was having a great day today, even ranked up to Cadet in the Federation.

And then I get interdicted by a CMDR piloted Vulture.

Now I fly clean, pay of my fines, hell I don't even accept missions from bulletin if they look shady. So I have no bounty and no cargo when I'm interdicted.

Vulture doesn't seem to care and destroys me in seconds, forcing me to take a loan to re-buy my Viper since I had recently upgraded a component but would've been back above rebuy costs after completing the mission I was on.

Needless to say it left an awful taste in my mouth, so I doubt I'll be returning to open play anytime soon.
Griefers (or whatever other fun name we're going to call them instead) are a blight on the stars.

Many players seem to think it is fun to destroy weaker human players (in weaker ships that is) just for their personal selfish fun, without considering the investment of time and money. They just do not care. These horrible inconsiderate characters are the blight that plagues multi player gaming everywhere. It is why I have retreated from multi player many years ago.
ED is the first game that tempted me to try mp again and for a long time I played in open, until the advent of the Wings update. Being a solo gamer even in open play, 'Wings' poses too much of a threat when I travel through certain systems. I am now playing solo and I have to say I do not miss the other humans in my universe. The AI is getting more fun all the time.

But I have to say you should never, ever take the risk of buying a ship you can not afford. Whatever you do always resist the temptation. If you do not it will come back to bite you for sure.

 

[cheekibreekisuka]

Oh dear, here we go again.... Being blown up ONCE by someone is not "griefing". Several times, yes, once, no. It's not nice, I agree, though. Still, the solution is don't play Open if it's a big issue to you.

I know where this thread is headed, so I'll leave it here.

the griefing part is that he was with some other player in the same instance, and the presence of the mentioned player incomodated him

 

[Bladesteel]

thats not greifing you just met someone who is a donk
greifing is what i have had, a commander first tried to attack me in a RES, was in the middle of a bounty kill and he ran, he came back minus a bounty on him waited until my sheilds were low and attacked me again this time their was no excuse i was leaving to cash my bountys in and was outside of the mass lock and no other ships about, he got a bounty the space police came along and he got owned.
he then proceeded to come back with no bounty to try again, but as a friend of mine was on and wanted some help i left
next day i go back and their he is again this time instead of firing he trys to ram me, having a fully maxed out vulture for bounty hunting, he didnt do any damage to me but took his own sheilds down, then when i am going after bountys he trys cutting infront of me while im firing to get me a bounty this also failed so he took up ramming again.
next thing i know he comes along with a friend and they take turns at ramming into me and getting in my way, i still keep laughing as they have only ever managed to take 1 ring off my sheilds while taking their sheilds offline.
thing is ive also seen the guy and his friend doing the same thing to other players who come into the RES`s and some of them havent faired so well, the pair of them also seem to be getting better ships probably by hogging the RES by chasing other players off and not gaining a bounty.
this has gone on for a few weeks now, thats greifing imo

as annoying as this guy and his friend are i still laugh at their pityfull excuse of greifing, i will keep playing in open, keep playing in my fave place and when i finally see either one of them with a bounty no matter how small im going to have them.
i do all my game time in open even trading, i like the danger of it and like to laugh at noobs who dont realise that not all trading ships are unsheilded unarmed easy targets, as yet i have not died to a player while trading let alone dropped them any goods of value, allthough i did once drop some organic waste for the lols.

my advice to the op dont play in open till you have money to back up any losses you could have, dont think all players are out to kill you, theirs quite a few friendly players out their too. if you buy a new ship but cant afford to upgrade it without selling your current ship, leave it parked earn a bit more money and then kit it out.

Can you take him out? This sounds like a case where a small bounty, and the time lost to clear it, would absolutely be worth it.

 

[Loetmichel]

I prefer to suggest that people stop making themselves an easy target and become better pilots. To me it is more satisfying to laugh in the face of some hapless aggressor while I hyperspace off into the sunset than to slink away to solo and make bitter posts about people's intellect and alleged psychological disorders.

Why should one Victim cater to your(?) gameplay by being there for you to shoot at? the best thing they can do to "avenge" their loss in fun ist doing the same for you:
taking away your easy targets at all. So they have not to cope with idiot bullies AND the bullies will have to go after other bullies for their "fun". Which is a fun thought
for victims of said bullies.

P.S.: watinig for the rage posts about "but your are harming MY way of gameplay then!"

 

[Renegade Roach]

Why should one Victim cater to your(?) gameplay by being there for you to shoot at? the best thing they can do to "avenge" their loss in fun ist doing the same for you:
taking away your easy targets at all. So they have not to cope with idiot bullies AND the bullies will have to go after other bullies for their "fun". Which is a fun thought
for victims of said bullies.

P.S.: watinig for the rage posts about "but your are harming MY way of gameplay then!"

I'm not the one raging here. Neither am I a pilot who attacks others for no reason, as I've already stated in this thread. Attempting to insult me is pointless and simply makes your stance look weak. I gain greater satisfaction from playing the game well than deciding it's too much and choosing an easier variant. That's not to say that I never play in solo or group, I do when I really am not in the mood for watching my back. I have no problem if people decide solo is the best way for them. What I object to are those, like yourself and others in this thread, who attempt to portray anybody who doesn't toe your line as being anti-social, a cheat, or suffering from a psychological disorder. It's utterly pathetic.

By the way, it will annoy the 'psychoMURDERgriefers' more when you beat them at their own game. The mindset you are portraying will take satisfaction from people going to solo, to them it will be a victory of sorts. HTFU and get better.

 

[Brownshortz]

I think everyone is being a bit precious about griefers. They can actually be quite entertaining. My most recent favourite thing is to creep up on RES sites where I know they like to hang out and taunt them from a safe distance. There are usually 3 or 4 of them (usually Anacondas and Vultures). Once they realise I'm there they all make a beeline for me. Of course they have no chance to catch me in my Cobra..........I usually ask them if my break lights are working as I speed off.

 

[Loetmichel]

I'm not the one raging here. Neither am I a pilot who attacks others for no reason, as I've already stated in this thread. Attempting to insult me is pointless and simply makes your stance look weak. I gain greater satisfaction from playing the game well than deciding it's too much and choosing an easier variant. That's not to say that I never play in solo or group, I do when I really am not in the mood for watching my back. I have no problem if people decide solo is the best way for them. What I object to are those, like yourself and others in this thread, who attempt to portray anybody who doesn't toe your line as being anti-social, a cheat, or suffering from a psychological disorder. It's utterly pathetic.

I never wanted to insult YOU in the first place. thats why i put the (?) behind the first "your". And i dont think anybody who ganks people in tha game is a Sociopath in real life. It DOES raises the question where those needs to "harvest the salty tears" come from. Someone which has no need to thrive of others tears will not do so, neither in real life nor in a game. THATS where the accuastions of being psychological challenged come from.

 

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[Renegade Roach]

I never wanted to insult YOU in the first place. thats why i put the (?) behind the first "your". And i dont think anybody who ganks people in tha game is a Sociopath in real life. It DOES raises the question where those needs to "harvest the salty tears" come from. Someone which has no need to thrive of others tears will not do so, neither in real life nor in a game. THATS where the accuastions of being psychological challenged come from.

I'll accept the apology since I'm guessing that English isn't your first language and the inference of your posting style was perhaps not immediately obvious to you. I don't disagree with you that there are some people who behave in a questionable manner. There's a certain commander who admitted to spending weeks ramming people outside (and inside) a certain well known station. That's indicative of some worrying mental processes.

Fact is though that both you and Sutex have made posts which allude to the fact that you believe anybody not condemning the type of attack the op experienced as being 'outside the spirit of the game' and foul play are, somehow, complicit.

 

[Herbinator]

... Only issue I see is the penalties received ...

This.

Penalties need a revamp.

 

[Loetmichel]

I'll accept the apology since I'm guessing that English isn't your first language and the inference of your posting style was perhaps not immediately obvious to you. I don't disagree with you that there are some people who behave in a questionable manner. There's a certain commander who admitted to spending weeks ramming people outside (and inside) a certain well known station. That's indicative of some worrying mental processes.

Fact is though that both you and Sutex have made posts which allude to the fact that you believe anybody not condemning the type of attack the op experienced as being 'outside the spirit of the game' and foul play are, somehow, complicit.

I am german, right. And as such i had to google the translation of "complicit" ;-)
So: no, i dont think that anybody who does not condem the OPs attacker is partiylly to blame for that behaviour. Not at all. I simply think its funny how some people are getting off so hard denying the "griefing" aspect on any of these posts that they lose focus the matter at hand, a simple act of uncalled cruelty for the sake of cruelty. And reading that some of them try do veer the discussion off to semantics seem to indicate that they are doing the same stuff and dont want to lose any victims to modes where they cant do "their" thing at all.
At least thats how i see these posts.