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[SPECULATION] Defeating the Thargoids = Python MkII
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No speculation, I think many of us understood the same thing.
Can't find a quote now because there's no video up, but I too remember hearing something in the lines of "so better get working on the Titans", which implies that the ship could be made available sooner, if the narrative of U18 is advanced sooner (by the players).
Question is do we have to get all 8 or just 1?
Interesting.
And i've seen Zak sayin the exact same thing in the stream (well, in the recording cause i missed the stream live)
From the Python Mk2 movie during the stream i noticed what it looked like 2 medium and 2 large hardpoints top side - pretty much like the Python Mk1 has, with another large under nose, again like the Python Mk1 has - and i think i've seen the 6th also topside, centerline back, sort of inline with the 2 large hardpoints (the ones found on the mk1 too)
If it's like that, for a total of 2 medium and 4 large, plus 6 utilities, it will be quite a monster
However, PVP focused?
Even if it will have solid firewpower, FDL is used for the flight model and the shields, not for the firepower so i do hope they account for that too if they want the Mk2 to compete with the FDL
So, imo, PVPers and generally combat pilots should put a restrain bolt on the hype train.
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Well, in the first stream, in January, Ard did say "relatively soon" then immediately corrected for "this year"
This could mean anything from an intermediary patch between U18 and U19 (especially if there is any relation between Mk2 and Titan/Thargoid combat), or U19 if indeed PP20 will offer some PVP incentives and Mk2 being advertised as PVP oriented.
Well I guess it's the "chop chop" that I interpret as "as soon as you finish your Thargoid meal you can have Python dessert".
If it is better than the FDL, it will just become the new META anyway, this is the way.
The 30 GB will have to be something. So yeah, between U18 and 19 once whichever narrative event FDEV have tied it to has happened.
The narrative for update 18 could possibly contain more than just thargoids, so maybe it could be something else still to happen?
Also supposedly it's meant for PvP and to tie into update 19 with PP 2.0.
Also supposedly it's meant for PvP and to tie into update 19 with PP 2.0.
The Kraits are essentially faster Pythons and are pretty well represented, with the main thing holding them back being shielding. The extra utilities will probably take care of that. 4 large and 2 medium hardpoints with a class 7 distributor will also give the ship an edge over any other medium vessels in firepower, with the perfect hardpoint mix to boat plasma and rails, or frags.
Without some killer flaw, my concern at this point is that the ship will be too potent of a combat vessel, further eroding what little choice one has if one wishes to be competitive in wing PvP.
Kraits are faster and more maneuverable than Pythons and can perma boost on 2 pips, which makes pip management somehow easier compared to other ships
They said are not yet decided on Mk2 internals - so they can gimp it in that departments
Mamba has shields almost as good as the FDL and not sure how well represented is in PVP (and no, i dont consider ganking and seal clubbing as pvp which seem to be the primary usage scenario for mamba due to her high escape speed)
Actually in competitive pvp i dont think i've seen people using anything else bar FDL
Anyway, i dont have any high hopes for the Mk2 and i dont really trust FDev (sorry FD, no offence intended) when it comes to balance stuff, especially around PVP.
The way "balance" seem to work in ED is either total nerfs (totally nerfing mining for example) or over the top improvments (like the FDL, or the heat proof Dolphin, ax combat bonds overkill payments, exobio overkill payments)
What about the Python Mk II maybe having some tech to be immune against Thargoid neutralizer fields or maybe shrugs off caustic damage ?
At least that would be something I'd consider in the range of "something for every player"...
The main problem with Kraits is their weak boost, but that's not a bad thing tbh because their huge distributor that makes them capable of permaboosting on 2 pips would also make them pretty OP if the boost was stronger, and a low skill meta ship is always a bad idea.
From what little we know about the Python Mk2, it seems to be a stronger version of the pacifier+rail bank tank Python, which is already a cancer build to fight against because of drag munitions and the virtually infinite number of banks, it's just that the Python is (luckily) too slow, so you can largely just ignore it.
We'll see what kind of flight model the Mk2 has, if it's a fast ship with good boost and strong lats/verts, then it will be pretty OP. If the flight model is not that great, well, then maybe we'll just have an ultimate Cutter killer.
This is why, if FD don't want that to be the case, they need to invest in more paracombat systems and modules, particularly systems which aren't dual-purpose.
Incidentally, Thargoids have introduced exactly that, in a manner of speaking... but those systems haven't made their way into human fittings, because they'd be horribly imbalanced without countersystems more nuanced than "immunity to".
So everyone will be riding around in a Python 2 for 6 months because it’s new.
Lucky me, I’ve still got the majority of previous ships to try yet. I don’t like to rush things
Lucky me, I’ve still got the majority of previous ships to try yet. I don’t like to rush things
It depends on what the other 3 might be, and how long they take to appear in the game...
It might take a crowbar to get me out of my Courier!
What if the 30GB included the 4 ship variants ready to go, but disabled until Frontier decide to switch them on?
I am fairly sure Zak said re: Python MkII "exists in the game"
