At this point the hope is so deeply ingrained that there is no reasoning out of it.
Spring 2024 DLC Speculation
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dude,You don't understand what I mean. From a statistical perspective, the number of people participating in statistics is important, but where they come from is more important than the number. What I have always emphasized is that most of them are fans of that YTB anchor, and the anchor's own behavior and preferences have a huge impact on this. For example, if we are now discussing which country in the world has the best food, I would like a French anchor who makes videos in French and cooks French food most of the time to launch this questionnaire on his channel. The result will most likely be French cuisine. And if a Chinese anchor who makes videos in Chinese and spends most of his time cooking Chinese food launches this questionnaire on his channel, the result will most likely be Chinese food. Therefore, that statistical result can only represent the preferences of a very limited group of people.
I've said it before but I'll say it again; given the sheer number of bird species needed to even be a passable representation of a zoo collection, zero is better than one.
Having only one worked for JWE simply because it's based on fiction and the pteranodon is the most famous flying reptile in history. It wouldn't work for PZ. It would just feel weird. "Yes, a zoo where the only aviary bird is...but don't worry, we've got two kinds of bats!"
I disagree, I think there are some birds which could standalone as the only flying birds in-game and still make sense.
1. Rainbow Lorikeet - I have seen zoo maps in which the Rainbow Lorikeet is the only bird that has its own area/label. Lorikeet Landings are big star attractions at some zoos, often the only ones featuring flying birds. I think that if we just got the Rainbow Lorikeet, plus a couple more habitat ground birds, they wouldn’t feel out of place AT ALL.
2. Budgerigar - all of the same reasons as above.
3. Hummingbirds - these seem to stand out in their own distinct category where they aren’t exactly “aviary birds” but seem more like “butterflies”. Like lorikeet landings or budgie walkthroughs, it is completely feasible to have hummingbird houses be the only flying bird exhibit in a zoo, and not feel out of place. Plus, if we get hummingbirds, we’ll likely get five like we did butterflies for their similarity and small stature.
Disagree, I’m at the point now where I don’t care if we get enough birds to complete the roster, if I can get one to build for in a cool tropical house like macaws or hummingbirds, I’ll take it; it’s better than a second sloth or bat which are boring or a regular exhibit animal which I can’t build for. For me it’s just about the enjoyment of building for that animal.
Dude, you’re literally I don’t want any flying bird rigs, no matter the modding possibilities. I want PZ to end as quickly as possible, preferably the next pack. What’s the point of posting here exactly?
I agree about the hummingbirds but having lorikeets and not macaws would feel weird. Same for having toucans and no macaws, and viceversa. Those two go hand in hand imo. Like you said hummingbirds are birds but very particular and they would work as stand alone WTE birds. And apparently are possible to implement looking at that upcoming mod. And out of all the birds they would be the ones that would work best with looped animations.
You probably missed recent discussion. Hummingbirds are far away from being like butterflies.
From the realism standpoint/argument which doesn't really apply for WTE animals and i couldn't care less about. I wouls happily make a WTE full of hummingbirds
All this talk about number of birds boils down to similar arguments about playstyles that always comes up in different forms about any animal inclusion.
Someone who focus more on building and design will be, for example, annoyed that we got Addax in the Arid pack, because it's an ungulate and as such doesn't present any new challenge in habitat creation. Specific animals don't matter as much as niche that those animals fill. And we already had desert Antelope.
Then there are players who like to immerse themselves in their park (or recreate specific real zoos) and every single subspecies is as important. Those players (to repeat the same example) probably saw Addax inclusion more favorably, because it's what they needed for certain theme and/or their local zoo ot the zoo they visited, no matter that building for them is no different than building for Zebras, Horses, Antelopes, Gazelles...
So I can understand how the first type of player would be satisfied with even one species of bird to shake up the game and the second type saying that just one bird is not nearly enough to, either recreate any real zoo, or it satisfying the need for exact species for exact theme.
And as for me, I'd say that I'm with NZ on this one. I believe that there needs to be satisfying number of birds to warrant their inclusion.
Someone who focus more on building and design will be, for example, annoyed that we got Addax in the Arid pack, because it's an ungulate and as such doesn't present any new challenge in habitat creation. Specific animals don't matter as much as niche that those animals fill. And we already had desert Antelope.
Then there are players who like to immerse themselves in their park (or recreate specific real zoos) and every single subspecies is as important. Those players (to repeat the same example) probably saw Addax inclusion more favorably, because it's what they needed for certain theme and/or their local zoo ot the zoo they visited, no matter that building for them is no different than building for Zebras, Horses, Antelopes, Gazelles...
So I can understand how the first type of player would be satisfied with even one species of bird to shake up the game and the second type saying that just one bird is not nearly enough to, either recreate any real zoo, or it satisfying the need for exact species for exact theme.
And as for me, I'd say that I'm with NZ on this one. I believe that there needs to be satisfying number of birds to warrant their inclusion.
Saying that putting a bird in the WTE would be a waste of a slot literally makes no sense to me - a wasted slot for what?! What would’ve gone in there instead? Another useless bat or second sloth? 
Maybe it’s not an entire roster of birds but I would rather get 1 than another WTE animal that’s a copy of what we already have.
Maybe it’s not an entire roster of birds but I would rather get 1 than another WTE animal that’s a copy of what we already have.
We all need a second Sloth, hopefully but not just a clone of the current sloth-Saying that putting a bird in the WTE would be a waste of a slot literally makes no sense to me - a wasted slot for what?! What would’ve gone in there instead? Another useless bat or second sloth?
It seems that you replied while I edited my post. I'm sorry, it wasn't intention to make you look badSaying that putting a bird in the WTE would be a waste of a slot literally makes no sense to me - a wasted slot for what?! What would’ve gone in there instead? Another useless bat or second sloth?
I went back and forth with my posts and decided that "wasted" was too harsh and I edited it out aftertwards, so I guess I agree with you there that I wouldn't necessarily call it wasted.
More like "not as useful as it would seem at the first glance"?
Edit again: Because I believe a variety Exhibit pick is better than lone bird pick. Not necessarily WTE, but if I had to choose between a classic exhibit Chameleon or a single bird, I would go for the first choice, because it can already enrich something that's already in the game, while one bird would just scratch the surface of very deep ocean
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Im definetly the former type. Only one bird would be super weird, but i definetly perfer that over none. And we already went down that weirdness rabbit hole having two bats but no birds, so i say lets just continue the weirdness when were already this far in
And then there's me casually making a list of all the static birds I need to build for the workshop for adequate representation of each continent and Oceania alone is 85 birds
Probably due to the influence of daily viewing, my attention to birds is limited to birds of prey, large wading birds, pheasants and some parrots, toucans and hornbills.
Birds in the WTE is exactly how I feel about the mute swan.
Would I like more waterfowl than the swan? Absolutely, but the modding scene gains so much from just the one bird. Not to mention the swan does the same thing. If I’m building a pond I wouldn’t just throw the flamingos or crane down, I could absolutely do that with the swan. I wouldn’t lie and say I wouldn’t be hurt if we didn’t get more waterfowl, but it is what it is at this point.
That’s how I feel about WTE birds, even just one macaw/ lorikeet/ budgie could add so much. Both from modding, and from their use as an animal. I recognize every WTE animal is the same big dumb box, but each animal is a unique flavor. It’s also good to try and push myself to use the WTE in creative ways.
If we got macaws one idea I had was place the WTE away from guests in the background and only make it available to staff. Say we got the scarlet macaw, if I made an indoor rainforest I can have macaws in the background and make it seem like a free flying aviary. Now if I could get more than one WTE bird that would be ideal. It is what it is at this point.
Would I like more waterfowl than the swan? Absolutely, but the modding scene gains so much from just the one bird. Not to mention the swan does the same thing. If I’m building a pond I wouldn’t just throw the flamingos or crane down, I could absolutely do that with the swan. I wouldn’t lie and say I wouldn’t be hurt if we didn’t get more waterfowl, but it is what it is at this point.
That’s how I feel about WTE birds, even just one macaw/ lorikeet/ budgie could add so much. Both from modding, and from their use as an animal. I recognize every WTE animal is the same big dumb box, but each animal is a unique flavor. It’s also good to try and push myself to use the WTE in creative ways.
If we got macaws one idea I had was place the WTE away from guests in the background and only make it available to staff. Say we got the scarlet macaw, if I made an indoor rainforest I can have macaws in the background and make it seem like a free flying aviary. Now if I could get more than one WTE bird that would be ideal. It is what it is at this point.
Also gonna add this: if modders can make hummingbirds and are starting to get to birds it really makes me wonder what the limitations for Frontier is.
I guess that depends on ones definition of adequate representation.And then there's me casually making a list of all the static birds I need to build for the workshop for adequate representation of each continent and Oceania alone is 85 birds
Because i feel like for PZ having like 3-5 species for each continent would be an perfectly adequate representaion in relation to the rest of the roster.
And just to be clear im just taking aviary birds here, but yikes even counting the habitat ones were far from the 3-5 bird rep for each continent, ouch
Obviously we would be lucky to even get one at this point, just wanted to give my thoughts on it