Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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If you think it's boring, don't watch or play it
There is a sentiment among some ED players (and perhaps even some SC players!) that ship interiors are boring. And i'm sure some X4 players don't see the point of ship interiors either.
I'm sure you'll find many here who actually think ship interiors are a nice idea, be it in SC, ED, or X4.
But a quality attempt at shadowboxing.
I notice that is not even full release but just MVP!Hey, they are starting to grok it. They used to say release is 2 years away. Now its MVP in 4-5 years!
Even then I cant see them wanting to rush and get it out in 4 - 5 years, I mean it has only been approximately 467 weeks since the end of the kickstarter! I wish they would get a move on with SQ42, but I suspect they will ride the gravy train as long as they can.
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This is probably one of the reasons why full on formal reviews, as with any other released game, are necessary in the case of SC. The thing is being marketed and monetized exactly as a released game. In many regards SC is being monetized even more wildly than regular released games including pay to win ones. The market is basically lacking one of the key checks and balances that help support a buy decision.
Poor guy.
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Poor guy.
What a great journey it has been so far......NOT... - Star Citizen Spectrum
Wow, i had the worst experience with gaming in my life so far... Bought SC last week on my off day...i just couldnt wait after watching all those videos about it. So i bought it early in the...
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Well, i don't know about getting a move on. Chris has apparently moved to the UK to slow down development on that. On the up side, it might mean SC gets developed quicker now.
But look at the roadmap for SQ42, its not great. They've literally spent months (and boasting over) getting 2 walk and talk scenes done for a single chapter and i shudder to think how many hours they've spent on the mess hall scene because it seems like they talked about that for many months. It does feel like Chris isn't trying to make a game with SQ42, he's trying to make a movie.
This is probably one of the reasons why full on formal reviews, as with any other released game, are necessary in the case of SC. The game is being marketed and monetized exactly as a released game. In many regards SC is being monetized even more wildly than regular released games including pay to win ones. The market is basically lacking one of the key checks and balances that help support a buy decision.
Poor guy.
What a great journey it has been so far......NOT... - Star Citizen Spectrum
Wow, i had the worst experience with gaming in my life so far... Bought SC last week on my off day...i just couldnt wait after watching all those videos about it. So i bought it early in the...
Yup, i'm quite fed up with that faithful screaming ITS ALPHA and CIG using the excuse when for years the CEO has been talking about it (and a lot of the marketing) like its a released game.
For a long time i've considered it like a released game, because that is what the CEO thinks of it as being, except when he needs to defend it, then its alpha.
Remember, in 2017(?) in an interview with Gamestar, when asked about when SC would have a 1.0 release, CR said "what do you mean 1.0? We have 3.0 coming out soon."
If he wants to have his cake and eat it, then we can treat it like its already a cake.
SC gets a mention in this vid
4:50 for those who the timestamp doesn't work for.
4:50 for those who the timestamp doesn't work for.
When I saw interiors for the first time, I was so excited! It was so cool, so awesome! Two days later - 'yes, ship interior, skip-skip-skip;. The reason? It is pure eye candy, it looks nice but doesn't add any lasting value to the gameplay. You just literally walk past them!
So no, I'm not a fan of ship interiors if those are what I receive instead of the promised gameplay.
And EVA is even worse. EVA means that you aren't flying your ship. To me it feels like doing chores. I don't enjoy doing chores. Especially when I could've been piloting a space ship instead!
In essence, Ship Interiors & EVA would be a positive addition to any already great game with wonderful gameplay. In SC, being offered instead of the said gameplay, they are so boring.
The cake that was eaten 7 years ago. Eaten, digested, decomposing.
LOL, the last post be like: "Yes, Daddy Roberts, we were very naughty backers, punish us!"Hey, they are starting to grok it. They used to say release is 2 years away. Now its MVP in 4-5 years!
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This is why I appreciate The Outer Wilds so much. Its star system has the size of a peanut, planets are literally kilometres away and are tiny balls of stuff. And yet, because of the flight model, which is pretty engaging (having to manage directional thrusters, chasing celestial bodies with their trajectories etc.), it feels like space exploration. The density of the gameplay fills in for the sparsity of space, so to say.
Immersion is generally an interesting topic. I still do not know why, on the other hand, I can feel immersed in the great emptiness of ED. Probably because of how ridiculously large it is.
Yes, emergent gameplay. Something a lot of other games are lacking and that already makes SC a more interesting game to play than many others.
Beacons can be a risk or a trap and it gives tension and surprise (bad or good). It's a good thing for a game to be able to give these sensations. You know one of the best feeling you can have in a game ? When you outsmart a trap prepared by another player...
Don't they know people are having fun already?Hey, they are starting to grok it. They used to say release is 2 years away. Now its MVP in 4-5 years!
'Emergent gameplay specialists', I like it and wouldn't be surprised it that's a job vacancy title at CIG within the month
Add to this that everything is cohesive and consistent in this (not so)miniverse. And the DLC makes the tour de force of being jaw dropping once again.
Immersion sure is something subjective, but it's not in any way bound to "fideliciousity". For example, I've been more immersed in Duskers than in SC which is - even bugs apart - riddled with bad design decisions that break my suspension of disbelief. Add to this that the more fideliciousness the more the slightest thing off (be it bad animation, poor NPC behavior, facepalmy physics) throws this flashy verse deep in the mud of the uncanny valley.
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Said the guy that never boarded another ship and fight inside it... Or done a search mission in a derelict... Or played the box part of xenothreat event... Or manually parked his Rock in a cargo bay... Or hacked his crimestat in a satellite under the fire of others bounty hunters in EVA/ships...
Ship interiors and EVA are the exact reason why some ED players leave ED. And it's not because they are eye candy but because they have gameplay value you refuse to acknowledge. Claiming that those don't have gameplay value in SC is simply a lie, you just have to try the activities I listed for you to see it.
But I know why you say that. Acknowledging that they have a gameplay value is also acknowledging that ED does not have this gameplay value and for you, SC can't have more gameplay than ED. Wake up, SC have already more gameplay activities than ED.
Still fewer than Garry's Mod though.
Conversely, sitting with a broken leg for half an hour waiting for someone else to rescue you could make SC a much duller game to play than many others ¯\(ツ)/¯
A fairly silly thing to argue about in this form of course, given it's so contingent on personal taste. But I'm sure that won't stop you
Very constructive. Still SC has more gameplay activities than ED... Smiley or not.
What is boring ? Being forced to wait from time to time because you take a risk and fail ? Or Playing hours after hours a game with zero real threats, a game you don't really feel the failure because failing has no real consequence ? What makes the grind dull ? The fact that when you grind, you choose an activity with zero risk.
That's what a lot of AAA games have abandonned. A real reward/risk value.
Also, a diversity of failure is important to make a game less boring. If the only consequence of fail in a game is loosing money, you don't have surprise, you know the risk and can anticipate it. If I know failing the mission X makes me loose Y money, I will farm Y money before starting the mission... I lesser the risk and lesser the tension and, at the same time, lesser the potential joy of success. It is a human behavior but it harms the pleasure of the game
Adding other levels of failure is important : time, reputation, etc. Adding also unpredictable external events to each activity is important, it breaks the grinding feeling. The more diversity you have, the less you can anticipate the failure and the more tension you get in the game. With more tension, you get more joy when you succeed.
LOL. SC good, other games bad.
Plenty of games out there with emergent gameplay opportunities, and with them usually comes the griefers and gankers.
Ark is a good game for emergent gameplay, although for me, only PvE. People on the PvP enabled servers can be real twonks. Its generally why i avoid games with "emergent" gameplay unless they have a PvE only option. For example, ED has opportunities for emergent gameplay (cf: Fuel Rats and Hull Seals) but along with it there are also those who use the flexibility to cause problems for other players.
Of course, some do enjoy that sort of stuff. You seem to be in favour of it, which is cool. I'm just too old and grumpy to care for those sort of shennanigans and just want to do my own stuff, whether it be flying a spaceship, building a base, hunting animals, or whatever.