Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Agony_Aunt]

But yeah, it is a game that is playable to some extend, and enjoyable to some people. For reasons you can fully disagree with, but there clearly is a game of sorts that people play.

I don't think anyone disagrees that its playable to some extent, and enjoyable to some people. LittleAnt is often keen to explain how he has fun playing SC. Mole and Intrepid also talk about the fun they have.

There is some sort of game.

The problem stems from the fact that every time someone tries to critique Star Citizen, if they say anything negative, the faithful immediately jump in and start explaining how you can't review it, because ITS ALPHA.

They want to have their cake and eat it. Its a fun playable game when its being praised, but the moment someone says something negative, you can't do that. And in at least one case, they went as far as issuing threats of physical violence against the "reviewer" and their family, as happened when Sid Alpha tried to review it.

That is the issue.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

He doesn't have a wife and kids.

Looks like we have a difference of opinion here at 1:1 Geoffrey!

Who is right?

If he doesn't have a family, then i withdraw my sympathy.

 

[Intrepid3D]

I dont get this line of reasoning.

1) We, as in gamers in general, do review games long before they are officially 'released'. Go to any regular gaming site with an article about SC and you'll find plenty of people giving you their review of the game. Usually in very few words, some or most of them censored.

2) 'Professional' media outlets rarely review games in 'early access', and the definition of EA is simply 'it is EA if the studio calls it such'. The upside for CIG is that there are no official reviews tearing it apart. The downside is that the game is known as "oh, that weird crappy project still in EA after a million years." Its up to the studio to determine if the upside is worth the downside.

As the years go by the "its still early days, its in EA!" becomes less convincing to more and more people and the upside of no professional reviews also diminishes as its reputation in general gaming circles is about as low as it can be anyway. If IGN wrote a piece saying "we officially consider SC to be buggy and shallow with terrible performance" that would change absolutely nobody's mind at all. Some would say:"Its early days!", most will say:"Duh, we know."

But yeah, it is a game that is playable to some extend, and enjoyable to some people. For reasons you can fully disagree with, but there clearly is a game of sorts that people play.

There doesn't really seem to be enough reviews of Star Citizen, there does however seem to be two kinds and their conclusions seem to depend on what type of journalism outlet they are.

You have the tech channels who usually review PC hardware, Digital Foundry, Linus Media Group, Gamers Nexus who go into great detail about the game, the experience and the technology behind it.
Then you have the tabloid style journalists who prefer to focus on the people making the game and snippets of what other people are saying about the game in the internet.

I'm not and never have been a fan of tabloid's, IMO they are entertainment for the more cognitively challenged.

He doesn't have a wife and kids.

Fair enough, i don't know where i got that from, i thought he did.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Fair enough, i don't know where i got that from, i thought he did.

You might have been thinking of someone else at CIG.

 

[Intrepid3D]

You might have been thinking of someone else at CIG.

Maybe..

 

[Ian Skippy]

I don't think anyone disagrees that its playable to some extent, and enjoyable to some people. LittleAnt is often keen to explain how he has fun playing SC. Mole and Intrepid also talk about the fun they have.

There is some sort of game.

The problem stems from the fact that every time someone tries to critique Star Citizen, if they say anything negative, the faithful immediately jump in and start explaining how you can't review it, because ITS ALPHA.

They want to have their cake and eat it. Its a fun playable game when its being praised, but the moment someone says something negative, you can't do that. And in at least one case, they went as far as issuing threats of physical violence against the "reviewer" and their family, as happened when Sid Alpha tried to review it.

That is the issue.

Yes Agony, if you say something negative, in public, about something that many people enjoy, some people will respond crudely, aggresively, dismissively, unreasonably or otherwise in a disagreeable way. Some of them will say something threatening. Or suggest something rude about your mother. Loads of pvp players in ED got threats from unhinged cmdrs. Michael Masini got piles of death threats last week because his name is somewhat like that of the Formula1 racing directior who made a call some disagree with. Yes, that is disappointing. No, its not a uniquely Star Citizen thing. Or even particularly Star Citizen thing. Too many people behave poorly online, no matter the topic.

But no, people disagreeing with your opinions is not a problem or in any way an issue. Even if you think they are stupid poopypants. Its completely fine to believe it is too soon to review something. It is completely fine to feel a review is long overdue. It is also completely fine to disagree about that.

 

[Ebob]

If you want to get rid of someone without paying them off, ask them to change location. If you really want to get rid of them, make that location another country, thousands of miles away.

But why would they move him to their main studio? That's literally where Chris and Sandi are at aswell.

 

[Ebob]

If he doesn't have a family, then i withdraw my sympathy.

He sure does have a family

 

[Intrepid3D]

But why would they move him to their main studio? That's literally where Chris and Sandi are at aswell.

Yeah.

Ask a question: get the usual tired old rhetoric.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yeah.

Ask a question: get the usual tired old rhetoric.

Its how this has always been going. If [x] happens people on the subreddit will argue its surely a great thing, people here will argue it is surely a terrible omen. Everyone has made up their mind, picked their little echo chamber and simply spends the time trying to fit absolutely everything into their chosen narrative. If a pic is leaked of Chris eating a cheese sandwich it will be immediately be turned into the inevitable impending release of SC or bankruptcy of CIG.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Yes Agony, if you say something negative, in public, about something that many people enjoy, some people will respond crudely, aggresively, dismissively, unreasonably or otherwise in a disagreeable way. Some of them will say something threatening. Or suggest something rude about your mother. Loads of pvp players in ED got threats from unhinged cmdrs. Michael Masini got piles of death threats last week because his name is somewhat like that of the Formula1 racing directior who made a call some disagree with. Yes, that is disappointing. No, its not a uniquely Star Citizen thing. Or even particularly Star Citizen thing. Too many people behave poorly online, no matter the topic.

But no, people disagreeing with your opinions is not a problem or in any way an issue. Even if you think they are stupid poopypants. Its completely fine to believe it is too soon to review something. It is completely fine to feel a review is long overdue. It is also completely fine to disagree about that.

I don't think you really understand what I'm saying. Of course there will always be those rushing to the defense of a product.

The problem arises is the dichotomy held by many SC backers that its one thing when its being praised and another thing when its being criticized.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are some like that with ED. I've seen people try and say you can't criticize Odyssey because its still in development, and i'll laugh at those people as well. If those same people also talk about Odyssey as a released thing they enjoy while at the same time playing the ALPHA card, then i doubly laugh at them.

But this is the SC thread, where we get to laugh at the SC nutjobs. If i want to laugh at the ED nutjobs i can go browse Dangerous Discussions.

I think that's the point you are missing.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

He sure does have a family

This is getting silly. Can anyone prove it one way or the other?

 

[Ian Skippy]

The problem arises is the dichotomy held by many SC backers that its one thing when its being praised and another thing when its being criticized.

And why is that a problem?

But this is the SC thread, where we get to laugh at the SC nutjobs.

Ehm, you just said out loud the part you usually vehemently deny. lol. But its good to have cleared it up why you are here I suppose.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

And why is that a problem?

I don't think that should need explaining.

Ehm, you just said out loud the part you usually vehemently deny. lol. But its good to have cleared it up why you are here I suppose.

I don't deny i'm here to laugh at the crazies. Its one of several reasons i post in this thread. I mean, i often post quotes from the crazies in this thread, so it would be silly of me to say i don't laugh at them.

 

[Ian Skippy]

He sure does have a family

This topic is so weird. Agony spend a solid week telling everyone how it was such poor taste he had his children play a role in a stream or two, and now he is arguing there is no family?

 

[Ian Skippy]

I don't think that should need explaining.

Try it anyway. Why is it a problem that people enjoy the game as-is but feel it is unfair to be critical of it? And more importantly, a problem for who?

 

[WotGTheAgent]

I mean, really, all CIG needs to do is release two games that I can play. If they are great, I'll say they are great. It's really what both sides of the argument are waiting for.

We are really just posting about Schrödinger's Citizen until that point.

At least I've had a lot of good laughs for the low price of $45.

Edit: and I've talked (probably too much) about my time with SC. I try to play every major patch and most of the time I get frustrated with performance issues or server crashes to spend more than a few hours flying around. (yes, it's installed on an SSD lol)

 

[Dooguk]

A game ? You should try SC during the freefly.

Almost half a billion dollars! Don't make me laugh.

Oh1 OK then

 

[Agony_Aunt]

This topic is so weird. Agony spend a solid week telling everyone how it was such poor taste he had his children play a role in a stream or two, and now he is arguing there is no family?

You're not following this very well. We are talking about Jared, not Chris.

 

[LittleAnt]

The problem stems from the fact that every time someone tries to critique Star Citizen, if they say anything negative, the faithful immediately jump in and start explaining how you can't review it, because ITS ALPHA.

The problem is also a vast majority of people criticizing SC "forget" to explain to the public that SC is alpha and that alphas are not finished products, alphas evolve, alphas improve and bugs are corrected every patch. Having T pose on chairs or killer stairs in an alpha is "normal" and not a definitive state.
3 years ago, a lot of haters were laughing about the flight model of SC, NONE said that the flight model would probably improve in the future. They talked about it as if it was the final flight model. So, it's perfectly natural to have fans coming adding "it's alpha" because... SC is alpha and the flight model now is good.
Almost everyone here talking about the fact that SC has a 50 players limit write their sentences in a way that we understand that SC will never have more than 50 players. You know what ? It's normal, SC is in alpha !