Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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One thing i love about all this is the blatant hypocrisy from the faithful.
They are the people who tell others things like: Oh, this year we will be getting Vulkan and Server Mushing and new gameplay loops and more and more and more. Its there on the roadmap.
And they say those things knowing CIG have consistently, year on year, failed to miss a lot of their long term goals.
But once people point that out, they scream, it says there right there on the roadmap, everything is subject to change.
They use what is on the roadmap to promise SC to others, to tell them how wonderful things will be in the future because its there, on the roadmap, but don't hold CIG to delivering what's there! There are disclaimers, so none of it might come, but buy into SC anyway!
We've had people in this very thread doing exactly this.
They are the people who tell others things like: Oh, this year we will be getting Vulkan and Server Mushing and new gameplay loops and more and more and more. Its there on the roadmap.
And they say those things knowing CIG have consistently, year on year, failed to miss a lot of their long term goals.
But once people point that out, they scream, it says there right there on the roadmap, everything is subject to change.
They use what is on the roadmap to promise SC to others, to tell them how wonderful things will be in the future because its there, on the roadmap, but don't hold CIG to delivering what's there! There are disclaimers, so none of it might come, but buy into SC anyway!
We've had people in this very thread doing exactly this.
You heard it here first! Development SC is like growing a tree. It won't take 10 or 20 years to do like CR dismissed. It will take 50!
Quite a few testimonials from people getting banned on Spectrum now.
Mods are hard at work shutting down dissent.
Mods are hard at work shutting down dissent.
Once everybody is banned there will be no dissent, everything will be fine!
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Ouch...
Counterpoint: CIG have raked in over half a million from their marks in 2 days since they blamed backers for removal of the roadmap.
It both sad and hilarious.
The salt continues. Bannings will have to continue until morale improves!!!
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They did fail to mention how CIG had blamed the backers for their own inability to manage backer expectations though. Also points out how new tech brings new possibilities but fails to point out how this has been a problem of CIG from the start. The inability to set the scope and stick to it. New tech? Great, let's add another 5 years to the development time! Also, despite being a well written post, they still got their post edited and they were PM'd by mods.
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Despite their calling out of CIG they still believe the 3.5 million number.
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LOL, CIG don't give a damn. They just did a new sale and backers lapped it up. CIG have demonstrated they can treat their backers like poopoo and they will eat it up.
A Q&W meme showing the quote from Erin explains why backers are salty.
White knights are on the case though!
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Indeed. This is one of the sad things about it. But anyway, here's a coffee shop and a new sale.
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Hah, they never had transparency. They had marketing. CIG showed exactly what they wanted to show.
And a white knight thread
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Dismissing how CIG blamed backers for their own fault. Well played, i'm sure CIG will reward you with... nothing.
Concerns Regarding Transparency from a Former GameDev - Star Citizen Spectrum
Reposting my thread from Concierge forum to encourage discussion in a larger group: Dear CIG Team, I'm a former head of external testing in Europe and North America for Wargaming.net - I spent...
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They did fail to mention how CIG had blamed the backers for their own inability to manage backer expectations though. Also points out how new tech brings new possibilities but fails to point out how this has been a problem of CIG from the start. The inability to set the scope and stick to it. New tech? Great, let's add another 5 years to the development time! Also, despite being a well written post, they still got their post edited and they were PM'd by mods.
Alright CIG, what are you gonna do about this? - Star Citizen Spectrum
Double down and blame us even more and add another coffee shop or actually get your PR people to put out an apology and give the people what you promised them, an open development and delivering...
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IMO, most backers never expected promises, they just wanted to see tangible progress from CIG - Star Citizen Spectrum
IMO, CIG clearly attempted a 'strawman' in their latest Roadmap Roundup by suggesting that concerned backers were creating 'noise' b/c they mistook tentative projections as promised feature...
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I am embarassed... - Star Citizen Spectrum
Now its my turn! I have followed the development of this game from its inception and a couple of years later I decided to pitch in a do my part. I was lured by the prospect of childlike avaricious...
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Despite their calling out of CIG they still believe the 3.5 million number.
Still no response from CIG or CR? - Star Citizen Spectrum
Can’t say I’m too surprised. Or? Or are we gonna have to wait for an announcement for the response, watch how the response gets delayed a week, and then the response gets removed cause “too much...
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YOUR VOICES MATTERS - Star Citizen Spectrum
If there's one thing that the recent events have shown, is that our voices matters, and our voices have power. So don't relent. Don't give into exerted pressure, bullying, and attempts to silence...
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LOL, CIG don't give a damn. They just did a new sale and backers lapped it up. CIG have demonstrated they can treat their backers like poopoo and they will eat it up.
A Q&W meme showing the quote from Erin explains why backers are salty.
White knights are on the case though!
CIG, Your decision is unethical and Irresponsible. - Star Citizen Spectrum
Not all backers seem to have grasped what the impact of the roadmap changes are. What it means for this project and this community as a whole. The release view was the last small piece of a...
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Indeed. This is one of the sad things about it. But anyway, here's a coffee shop and a new sale.
We are the fools thinking we had transparency - Star Citizen Spectrum
Most of the time the only transparency both views of the roadmap gave us where minor features around the edges and ships to support sales. CIG knows if it ever exposed their honest view of the...
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Hah, they never had transparency. They had marketing. CIG showed exactly what they wanted to show.
And a white knight thread
Backers are upset about CIG being honest - Star Citizen Spectrum
Jake Acapella told us that they're not going to keep using the roadmap beyond the next quarter because it wasn't an accurate representation of when things would be delivered. We have been saying...
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Dismissing how CIG blamed backers for their own fault. Well played, i'm sure CIG will reward you with... nothing.
It appears CIG have tapped into an endless spiggot of money they can't turn off even if they try. I am waiting for another game to launch using the same marketing methods, they seem to be a money maker indeed. You don't even have to make a game, just pretend to be making it and put out lots of shiny roadmaps and marketing videos.
this was a very long recording for their audio podcast, but Guard Frequency did a great parody show and breakdown of CIG's roadmap mistakes over the years, including how the current drama was signposted along the way
Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1287562424
That's because the money launderers dont care about roadmaps
This comparison is too beautiful to take apart despite it containing mayo.
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Just let all that sink in.
AmBiTiOn or nEvEr DoNe BeFoRe arguments used to rationalize the record long development duration and monstrous spend have by now become simply disingenuous. You can only argue those for so long before the actual crappy, buggy and broken results of what is actually out there in SC after 10+ years and 400+ million wasted really show how bad the thing is. It is just an extremely poorly managed project with a ton of technical issues and blockers.
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I swear, CR could appear on camera and directly say that its all a scam and backers would double down and throw more money at him.
Dude, i don't have 2 hours, much as i enjoy listening to those guys. Can you throw a few choice timestamps our way?
Viajero
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That is one more reason for SC to deserve regular game press reviews and scores. Some of the people spending their money are probably doing so with less information about the state of SC than most other regular games. The wild monetization SC is subject to should be reason enough for the game press to actually move in.
Most websites now treat SC as the joke it is. MassivelyOP always makes jokes about its unending development cycle and the latest manure CIG has managed to concoct, all while suckers still buy fake jpgs for whatever reason.
Not even the rabid fanbase and their unending hate towards anyone that dares critique is enough to stop them these days. Excluding the shill pieces like that Gamerant thing which reads like the "journalist" read one of CIG's advertising emails and took it at face value, or got paid to advertise SC while pretending to talk about Starfield.
Beyond a small circle of niche space game fans, no one really cares. It's a joke.
Not even the rabid fanbase and their unending hate towards anyone that dares critique is enough to stop them these days. Excluding the shill pieces like that Gamerant thing which reads like the "journalist" read one of CIG's advertising emails and took it at face value, or got paid to advertise SC while pretending to talk about Starfield.
Beyond a small circle of niche space game fans, no one really cares. It's a joke.