Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Viajero]

I'm not convinced. Some of that should show up in the (late) financial report, wouldn't it?
The anecdote that CIG told their auditors is somewhat plausible, i.e. a guaranteed minimum 6% or revenue-based return after 6, optionally 10, years.

I'm more convinced that CIG lost their copies of the agreement in an office move and reconstructed those values from collective memory.
Maybe the Ortwin-shuffle got them a fresh copy of those terms.

If you mean the UK filings, no, not necessarily. Given there is strictly no financial information with regards to overseas affiliates, there is plenty of room elsewhere to track any payments to Calders. Even in the UK they could hide portions of such payments as 3rd party, salaries or overhead expenses. Depending on the type of arrangement they have with the Calders.

If what you meant was the website financial blog, then hiding payment to Calders would be even easier as the blog is highly irregular and not audited at all. In essence they can put whatever they want and get much more easily away with it. And again, they could also hide portions of such payments as 3rd party, salaries or overhead expenses.

 

[VR Golgot]

The next confirmation statement in September should include a full list of current shares and shareholders, even if they didn't have to announce changes immediately.
Of course a lot of money is going to flow down the drain until then.

Oh duh yep, nice one. Yeah will come a bit late for any Calders tracking, but will tell the tale of the tape at least.

It seems that any board changes are noted fairly swiftly though. (As per the Ortwin and Franz role changes recently).

If we see Nitsche drop off the board we can suspect something's up. (He replaced Offner back in 2019. Offner was the original representative for the Calders / Indus).

Snagged or rented?

She's been full time at CIG since Jan. 7yrs at PwC prior. (Although I guess she could be a spy )

Funny how just recently a Spectrumite asked for CIG to contract PWC when they did exactly that last year.

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Oh wow, didn't realize PwC did consultancy stuff like that. (Thought they were pure audits etc). Another reason to suspect the Calders' hand in their appointment maybe...

 

[VR Golgot]

Funny how just recently a Spectrumite asked for CIG to contract PWC when they did exactly that last year.

Developing Software - A case study in self analysis - Star Citizen Spectrum

Where I work we develop large software applications and sometimes things go wrong. In 2023 the amount of production level defects got to a point where things had to change and so my company decided...

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Oh lol the top comment under this is a veteran dev listing tons of my vids as examples of the mess CIG is in

Yes. I would agree completely. I think its time that the community actually stands up and calls them on the transparency of their work and a external consultant gets involved and the community is shown the report for this. There is something going seriously wrong here and we are not being told that it is.

Been a dev for 25+ years. It's not just a meshing thing. There is so much tech debt for all sorts of things like dynamic economy, npc's, systems, crafting, base building, flight models, components, star map, mobi glass, gold passes of ships, elevators, hangars, persistence, org tools, player permissions. The progress rate of these things for completely unknown reasons is horrendously slow. I would struggle to see why. Like they can't seem to get client on side things like HUD, Clickable cockpits, UI components and stuff right

If you actually take the time and investigate things said and write down the features sets in a proper analysis from this compilation videos of promises. The debt is "massive". It's quite obviously they have no control of their scope, timelines, deliverables, quality at this point and the project has been pulled from pillar to post. I actually think they should stop selling ships or at least any new concept ones. Focus on SQ42. Put SC on the back burner. Deliver a functional / working product of SQ42 and then use that to continue funding their objective after its release.

Xenomortphed -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os2u2dCv4Rc

Elevators -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frXvssEUINc

SQ42 -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC0fWbrmyyE

Personal Hangars -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K85TbURB7_M

Modding / Private Servers?? -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7WhJGaF5ZM

Quantum Economy -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn71K0JW4Ns

Asset Management -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtN7EtLeHE

NPC Crew -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2EBZW7kN1o

Racing - It's terrible... -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GtF8I3BgsA

Physical Components - Partial Serious design shortfalls -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ93uVoWrXo

Persistence -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n9WsRXo4OM

mobi glass -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiDUk_ALkI8

Pipe System -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4elpZ_qGxkY

Sataball?? -

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYZmqQGHtzw


All these videos and statements are from official CIG clips. All covering ranges / dates / features from 2012-2022 and some later. It's not like they are in "doubt" about including the features cause they have all been talked about most of them for 10+ years year on year but most of the core features and functions from what promised are currently missing from the game and the ones included are in such a bad/poor state

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[HansAcker]

Oh wow, didn't realize PwC did consultancy stuff like that. (Thought they were pure audits etc). Another reason to suspect the Calders' hand in their appointment maybe...

Scene from a CIG office:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo

 

[VR Golgot]

There are probably far too many Dilberts that would fit in this thread...

 

[Agony_Aunt]

As far as I can work out they're only compelled to issue share statements when the majority stakeholder moves between tiers (<50%, <75% etc). They announced when the Turb deal shaved CR below 75% etc.

I guess selling all your shares would count as moving between tiers.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I strongly suspect the Calders must have renegotiated the deal so to extract returns from ongoing revenues in some form. Or the original deal perhaps already contained provisions in this regard.

My feeling was that was part of the original deal anyway, which would make a mockery of the "All money pledged goes towards development of the game" and should read "All money, except for a percentage which we give to shareholders for bailing us out years ago, goes towards development of the game"

 

[VR Golgot]

I guess selling all your shares would count as moving between tiers.

It'd have to shift CR's % share between one of the tiers to require documentation I believe. So, say, another investor just buying up the Calders' shares in a like-for-like deal wouldn't get flagged til the September confirmation statement.

Oh wait you mean CR selling all his shares?

Yeah that'd ring some bells

 

[HansAcker]

goes towards development of the game

Which one? Squadron 42, Star Citizen: Persistent Universe, Arena Commander or Soul Singer?

 

[VR Golgot]

Suddenly I want a vid of Tony Z singing 'Soul Singer' to the tune of Goldfinger...

Source: https://youtu.be/Tvl8KH6WBO8?si=jyrLjt1-B9oLp9zG

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The thing about hiring third party consultants is... you have to listen to them and follow their recommendations.

 

[Fizzatron]

I'm sure it's good news, and means CIG have all the talent they need

They do, and his name is CHRIS ROBERTS.

 

[Darkfyre99]

My feeling was that was part of the original deal anyway, which would make a mockery of the "All money pledged goes towards development of the game" and should read "All money, except for a percentage which we give to shareholders for bailing us out years ago, goes towards development of the game"

It really should read “All money, except for a percentage which we give to shareholders for bailing us out years ago, goes towards development of the game… after we take our own 10% cut of the gross, of course!”

 

[ECity]

They can't fix the issue but they're thrilled they may have code that detects when it happens and resets the elevators:

 

[thistle]

They can't fix the issue but they're thrilled they may have code that detects when it happens and resets the elevators:

View attachment 416333

They are SO on top of this.

 

[thistle]

Wow this one is from jan 2003. This is how I remember my job in 2003! I left in 2004

There are probably far too many Dilberts that would fit in this thread...

 

[Mole HD]

Just imagine what Elite could have done with all that money that SC had!

Just imagine what Warhorse studios and KCD2 could have done with it... Hell, I've only been playing for an hour and it's already up there in the top 3 games I've ever played on any platform

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Just imagine what Warhorse studios and KCD2 could have done with it... Hell, I've only been playing for an hour and it's already up there in the top 3 games I've ever played on any platform

The developers describe the content like this:


The game contains frequent depictions of violence, killing, brutality and blood. Furthermore coarse language and crude humor is used in an extensive manner. The player will further come across adult themes, alcohol as well as sexual activity and nudity.

Nice.

 

[AutumnalWanderer]

A lot of the folks I drift along with have either just moved constantly between the two or played both over a number of years ...and still do (I have around 5,000 hours in both). Depends on which is flavour of the month or whatever suits the current mood or state of brokenness of one or t'other, especially amongst groups of long existing players/friends...but those are only the people that simply can't live without flying spaceships like I said.

My particular group of mates have about as many hours in ARMA, GR Wildlands or IL2 as we have in SC or ED

I did that too, although, I backed SC first, and then bought ED after, both happened in 2015. I think I have lot more playtime in SC than in ED, but before the Odyssey expansion announcement I was very tired with SC, that announcement was the final nail in the coffin. I sold my account on reddit. After Odyssey released I left ED too, knowing what I know now, I shouldn't have, but I can't change it anymore. I did got a game package and over the past 4 years I spent some money on SC, but a lot less then before, and I never got back to play it as much as I used to. After seeing how is 4.0(1) turned out I don't think I going ever back to that game, and I don't see how they could manage delivering half as stable and playable game as Elite. Glad that I'm far away from this mess, just watching from the distance. I don't think I ever saw SC in this sorry state since 2015 when even basic things don't work.

I think two major things should make a lot more SC player come to Elite:

• Ship interiors
• Atmospheric worlds, like Earth.

While I would love both thing there could be a lot of things FDev could improve drastically in the existing gameplay systems and loops but this is now an off topic.

 

[HansAcker]

If we see Nitsche drop off the board we can suspect something's up. (He replaced Offner back in 2019. Offner was the original representative for the Calders / Indus).

I have a question about that. In one of the documents (23 Nov 2022), Nitsche signs for the elusive Erloch Ltd. while a Martin Lancaster represents Indus Management. Who's that then?

Spoiler

Spoiler: Or Rami Harawi for that matter

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Spoiler: or ITG

I never read this document before...