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3.18.2 released to PTU:

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They're doing a free fly? Now that i've got a 1080ti.. i think im F I N A L L Y ready to give sc a go. So excited. Its working great after after 12 years right? Must be good, this thread is 3000 pages!!

Look it the picture there.. they have a courier, an asp, a vulture, one of those mandalorian snub fighters.. oh i see what they're doing there.

... I mean i could give it a go...
 
@CMDR Karrde Sun Also has a Mandolorian jetpack:

WOW!! I've been watching the mandalorian. I don't appreciate how the empire receiving the majority of connections to real world diversity checklists, but last night i just watched episodes 4-current. It is just like bobba fet, but unlike tattoine, i don't have a mandalorian lego shelf to celebrate with it so care less. I don't mind starbuck stealing the show. There are at least 3 or 4 concepts that were literally stupid though. Like the kid getting regurgitated from the monster still alive a day later and the baby yoda droid.

That SC looks AMAZING!! Wait wasn't there a game called goat simulator where you did stuff like that?
 
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... I mean i could give it a go...
You can, just be aware of what the real game is before doing so.

Idea is to get you to think that the confusing pile of graphics you experience has so much potential, and everyone's saying they've hit their stride, so might as well buy in at $40 as the digital supplies of the starter pack are limited, then you can keep up with the game which will surely be amazing 2 years from now. From there, you start to realize that the ship you got for $40 can't actually do anything, and grinding to the ships you had in free fly with it is hard work. When you ask players in game, they encourage you to trade up. For only a bit more, you could trade up to an Avenger Titan or whatever's popular at that tier, now. And you trade up for a bit, eventually ending up in something like a Cutlass Black, and grind some cash in game and buy in-game ships that will reduce the grind. And then the wipe comes. The ephemeral value of hard work becomes readily apparent and you start asking around about that and people start telling you more about CCUs. Now you start trading up to big ships, feeling good that you're taking advantage of sales, savings, and limited time offers, all in increments that stay below your rapidly decreasing price sensitivity. You start looking forward to Citizen Con not for the talks but for the sales. At some point you get a letter informing you that you've now pledged a total of $1,000.

But wait, there's more.

Some people at that point realize they've been suckered into spending way more than they'd planned on, and the game they just got played by is still a smoldering pile of garbage, this story being one a decade of suckers have heard before, and they stop feeding it and might start being angry about it. Others realize they've spent too much but some things they purchased are still unfunded concepts, so turn to baiting new victims to buy unfunded concepts to pay for their own. But then there are those who see their letter from the Chairman's Club as an achievement. They've been given an honorary rank and title, and are now a member of an exclusive club and they have new rights and privileges. They post an image of their letter and people are congratulating them for what they've achieved. They're not some schmuck working a desk job anymore or someone who fell for a scam, they're an acolyte of The Vision. These people go on to play this new game, increasing their standing among the victims through credit line increases and second mortgages, until achieving Operating Thetan III Legatus Navium where all the secrets are unveiled, such as offers on concepts of concepts before they're announced to the public, and whatever comes after the $40,000 bundle.

So if you do the free fly, either stay free, or make what I just wrote into a checklist and keep track of where you are on it, to remind yourself of its destination.
 
You can, just be aware of what the real game is before doing so.

Idea is to get you to think that the confusing pile of graphics you experience has so much potential, and everyone's saying they've hit their stride, so might as well buy in at $40 as the digital supplies of the starter pack are limited, then you can keep up with the game which will surely be amazing 2 years from now. From there, you start to realize that the ship you got for $40 can't actually do anything, and grinding to the ships you had in free fly with it is hard work. When you ask players in game, they encourage you to trade up. For only a bit more, you could trade up to an Avenger Titan or whatever's popular at that tier, now. And you trade up for a bit, eventually ending up in something like a Cutlass Black, and grind some cash in game and buy in-game ships that will reduce the grind. And then the wipe comes. The ephemeral value of hard work becomes readily apparent and you start asking around about that and people start telling you more about CCUs. Now you start trading up to big ships, feeling good that you're taking advantage of sales, savings, and limited time offers, all in increments that stay below your rapidly decreasing price sensitivity. You start looking forward to Citizen Con not for the talks but for the sales. At some point you get a letter informing you that you've now pledged a total of $1,000.

But wait, there's more.

Some people at that point realize they've been suckered into spending way more than they'd planned on, and the game they just got played by is still a smoldering pile of garbage, this story being one a decade of suckers have heard before, and they stop feeding it and might start being angry about it. Others realize they've spent too much but some things they purchased are still unfunded concepts, so turn to baiting new victims to buy unfunded concepts to pay for their own. But then there are those who see their letter from the Chairman's Club as an achievement. They've been given an honorary rank and title, and are now a member of an exclusive club and they have new rights and privileges. They post an image of their letter and people are congratulating them for what they've achieved. They're not some schmuck working a desk job anymore or someone who fell for a scam, they're an acolyte of The Vision. These people go on to play this new game, increasing their standing among the victims through credit line increases and second mortgages, until achieving Operating Thetan III Legatus Navium where all the secrets are unveiled, such as offers on concepts of concepts before they're announced to the public, and whatever comes after the $40,000 bundle.

So if you do the free fly, either stay free, or make what I just wrote into a checklist and keep track of where you are on it, to remind yourself of its destination.

Sounds like elite but with added willful intent to exploit players added to the mix. Change the details here and there, elite is an astronomy simulator and truck simulator that always works (mostly) regardless of what frontier do, change 1000 to a few hundred in ship skins, change expectations from being fed by the developer to your own self delusion (simply permitted by the developer).

Oh sorry i was joking. I remember even around 2012 and 2013 getting very alarmed with what star citizen was willing do with backers money, it simply is out of the moral equation of what i find acceptable.

I completely agree though. A few thousand pages ago, i suggested that star citizen is similar to the pyramids. In a different era of time (in this case, gaming time), people are marvelling at what's there, spending $40 not knowing about the generations of previous backers who paid and were used, left, and their corpses filling the mudpits so that future generations can see what they eventually made. Also, that would be in the future, assuming they release a finish game. I think another year or two has gone past since i first saw that parallel, today i don't think they're ever going to release it.

Its nothing but a cult really.

It would make an interesting philosophical debate on whether whatever star citizen did with backers money or making a publisher instead of investing back into the game was the lesser of two evils. I think it depends on who you are. Either way players are not too different in outcome. Well actually that's not true.. there's no subculture of continuous money spend with elite, so there's that at least.

Thankyou for your sincere warning though, i do appreciate your write up.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
During the first few hours of the patch it looked like things were going well (just based on posts feedback) but now it seems feedback is a bit mixed, with a number of users reporting many of the same log in problems, and others.


 
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Latest Glassdoor review. Feels believable ;)

1.0
★★★★★

Former Employee, more than 3 years

Good place to start, even better place to leave

11 Apr 2023 - 3D Artist in Wilmslow, England

Recommend ❌

CEO Approval ❌
Business Outlook -

Pros
Difficult work - if you can pull it off here you can pull it off anywhere else. Good place to start working in 3D career if you aren't scared of learning everything yourself to meet CIG everchanging expectations.

Cons
BAD work/life balance. No initial training. Useless leadership. Low pay. Referral bonus £500 Yearly bonus 100-500 Feels like every yearly review is positive just to make employees stay. Outdated software. Outdated management. Cult mentality. No clear direction. Constant asset rework. Overtime. Expectation for you to figure everything out yourself. No communication between departments (props team and spaceship team are using different material workflows). Constant feeling that you're not good enough and that you're working too slow even when you're not. High expectations don't match the pay. Managers are just promoted artists with no management training who don't know what they're there for. Zero culture.

Advice to Management
Start valuing and listening to your staff.
 
3.18.2 released to PTU:

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"It would be foolish to release an unstable build, even if pre-alpha for the sake of meeting an internal deadline. This is the power of the crowdfunding that made Star Citizen possible: a publisher would make us ship tomorrow regardless of the current build quality… but as you are all focused on quality rather than a financial return for shareholders we are able to take a few more days to deliver something that is stable." - A perfectionist
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
"It would be foolish to release an unstable build, even if pre-alpha for the sake of meeting an internal deadline. This is the power of the crowdfunding that made Star Citizen possible: a publisher would make us ship tomorrow regardless of the current build quality… but as you are all focused on quality rather than a financial return for shareholders we are able to take a few more days to deliver something that is stable." - A perfectionist
That d be a perfect one (more relevant and timely than ever with 3.18) for Quavers list, if not done yet.
 
"It would be foolish to release an unstable build, even if pre-alpha for the sake of meeting an internal deadline. This is the power of the crowdfunding that made Star Citizen possible: a publisher would make us ship tomorrow regardless of the current build quality… but as you are all focused on quality rather than a financial return for shareholders we are able to take a few more days to deliver something that is stable." - A perfectionist
What a magnificent self-immolation.
 
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