Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
Backers should be thankful to purchase high price tickets and only expect an unsupported mess that barely starts and give nothing but praise. It's an Alpha show.

Maybe backers who pay the high ticket prices will be the first ones who can pre-order additional SQ42 at the new higher price, lucky sods.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Fizzatron said:
Sure you can, deep pockets of legal teams is a very hard buff to any claim made in the us legal system, that has been proven time and time again. Though, having said that, it may be why they won't, I guess Bethesda may come under protection from daddy Microsoft? If so, their financial power make CIG look like a gnat going up against an elephant. But hey, it's only a theory..
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Wouldn't it be more likely for MS/Bethesda to sue as they will have brought out their game first.. :)
 

Fizzatron

Fizzatron
Jack Winter said:
Wouldn't it be more likely for MS/Bethesda to sue as they will have brought out their game first.. :)
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That's a good question, I don't know how actual release vs. developmental marketing etc.. would play into the equation. I don't think it would be as cut and dry as that if one were really get into the legalities of it. I'd say it was more on CIG to show that Bethesda looked at Squadron 42 and thought, "let's do a game just like that" that amounted to copying.

I missed the result of the Ed Sheeran case, and I'm glad it concluded like that, but that case was undermined by the fact that the chord structure was found to exist in prior recordings and therefore was ruled to not be unique enough to be covered, and quite rightly. However, the case of Huey Lewis & The News vs Ray Parker Jr for Ghostbusters is also relevant as in that case, clear similarities could be shown, among other aspects, whch indicated that they had copied unique elements of a HL&TN song when composing the Ghostbusters theme. In other words, generic chords that had a chance to be inspirational without intent to copy is looked at differently than looking at a successful song and then copying elements because they wanted to appeal to the same market with their song.

Therefore, one could make an argument that Bethesda may have looked at the premise of Squadron 42 and then decided to make their own version of it, whether Starfield beat Squadron 42 to market may not be a relevant factor, as the claim would likely be that CIG would lose sales due to the similarities.

However, and this will be the last I mention of it, it is very unlikely as I don't see it as a winning strategy for CIG at this point, more of a hail mary attempt, which, as I initially mentioned, would be a sign that CIG really have nothing when it comes to Squadron 42, as it would be much more preferable to just release it and let the market decide which product was worthy.
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
VR Golgot said:
Fine work Stu 😁

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$199 base rate is an insane amount to pay just to be lied to. That's like psychoanalyst tier money...
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My thread got full-on deleted

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No message from Nightrider-CIG and co though
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
Fizzatron said:
That's a good question, I don't know how actual release vs. developmental marketing etc.. would play into the equation. I don't think it would be as cut and dry as that if one were really get into the legalities of it. I'd say it was more on CIG to show that Bethesda looked at Squadron 42 and thought, "let's do a game just like that" that amounted to copying.

I missed the result of the Ed Sheeran case, and I'm glad it concluded like that, but that case was undermined by the fact that the chord structure was found to exist in prior recordings and therefore was ruled to not be unique enough to be covered, and quite rightly. However, the case of Huey Lewis & The News vs Ray Parker Jr for Ghostbusters is also relevant as in that case, clear similarities could be shown, among other aspects, whch indicated that they had copied unique elements of a HL&TN song when composing the Ghostbusters theme. In other words, generic chords that had a chance to be inspirational without intent to copy is looked at differently than looking at a successful song and then copying elements because they wanted to appeal to the same market with their song.

Therefore, one could make an argument that Bethesda may have looked at the premise of Squadron 42 and then decided to make their own version of it, whether Starfield beat Squadron 42 to market may not be a relevant factor, as the claim would likely be that CIG would lose sales due to the similarities.

However, and this will be the last I mention of it, it is very unlikely as I don't see it as a winning strategy for CIG at this point, more of a hail mary attempt, which, as I initially mentioned, would be a sign that CIG really have nothing when it comes to Squadron 42, as it would be much more preferable to just release it and let the market decide which product was worthy.
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I don't think it would make sense. I could say i've been talking about making a virtual reality headset for the last 25 years, even having produced detailed pictures of one, and sue apple? Unlikely to win. Isn't that what the patent system is for? The could make some patents for jpeg sales or microtransaction gamification or something.

Also given star citizen is deliberately a parody of every single science fiction creative work that has come before it, further unlikely. I lost respect / was triggered to that when they made that huge ship that was a direct copy of the massive bad guy ship with the front facing spikes from the first star trek remake. Then they sold copying others as a positive thing. And people love this?
 
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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
StuartGT said:
My thread got full-on deleted
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StuartGT said:
There's more (still no message from them)

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Oh damnnn. Was expecting the full delete. (Which is outrageous. Twas all just facts. And calling the pricing 'ridiculous' on those grounds is hardly bringing down hellfire ;)). Less so the timeout.

Guess it's your fault the replies were salty :devilish:

(Do let us know what ole $10k says in the chastising ;))
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Miribot saved it for posterity...

CitizenCon ticket prices are ridiculous! Let's compare to other expo's... posted:​

$199 each for two days (and no one-day tickets available).
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Meanwhile, Warframe's TennoCon, day ticket is $23
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PDXCon (Stellaris, Cities Skylines, Crusader Kings, etc), ticket is FREE
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World Of Tanks' TankFest, day ticket is $38
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Gamescom, a massive expo with hundreds of games showcased, day ticket is $40 or less
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