They've generated bullshots and faked footage since day 1. And "Star" Engine isnt fit for the job. The New World problems neatly underline this.
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Especially when you consider all the tricks that can be applied to make things look a lot better when rendering video “in engine.”
Can you give me some examples of this actually "faked" footage? That wasn't just something they dabbled with and then decided to scrap it, but from conception on something that wasnt gonna make it into the game. Its crazy to assume they switched over to UE 5 just because in some video textures look a bit "softer".
No engine is better fit for the job. UE 5 isnt fit for the job either. They've developed so much proprietary tech for Star Engine that its just plain stupid to move to another Engine now. Star Engine might not be fit for the job all too well, but it sure is more sensical to use it over something like UE5. And really, why are you even saying its "not fit for the job"?
Apart from the performance issues and server problems (with things like Server Meshing being completely unrelated to the engine) they've demonstrated that Star Engine can do their ship interiors, seamless transitions, cities and Starports, basic game features that are Integral to SC. And Star Engine manages to pull that off.
Yep. ED Odyssey says hello
It's not about suggesting incompetence per se. There'd be nothing that outlandish about using UE for mock ups etc, if Cryengine or Lumberyard tools were more unwieldy for the job.
The idea mainly stems from gossipy leaks like the following:
(Although there have been fun asides like Unreal experience being a desired additional skill for job adverts too).
If it were the case in this situation it would just point to time being squandered in painting pretty demos for backers, rather than snagging rougher examples from dev builds etc.
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Odd, clicking on that link now it doesnt mention Unreal anywhere, just experience in working with Game Engines
But why would they use unreal for pretty demos? Cry Engine also has amazing graphics.
Intriguing. It definitely did. (You can see the screen grab
)Possibly it was just default text and they massaged it. (And/or possibly they didn’t like the stir it caused at the time ¯\(ツ)/¯ )
For the reasons given I’d imagine. Faster to mock up, due to it being much more cumbersome in Cry & Lumberyard ¯\(ツ)/¯
Odd, doesn't seem like it'd be more cumbersome to use.
They had a dev stream where they built props for the game, and they even have a tool where they can just drag the unfinished model they just saved into the CryEngine scene and look at it in engine in a matter of seconds. Doesn't seem all that difficult.
Nice to see they're mkaing a profit,,,, after all that hard work and bloated success, they deserve it, along with a nice holiday.
Pity to see that detractors like Mole still polluting the 'verse with his FUD. What a very bad man he is! Tut tut!!!
I may not actually believe what I wrote above.
Why so hostile? I found it kinda endearing the story about the yearly pup training. Other kids dream for years of a dog - some never have one. Mole had one every year. Makes me only a bit envious.
Well now! It sounds like I may very well have to put you on the 'very bad' list along with Mole. Your Chritsmas hopes may just have been dashed!!!
Completely unwarranted and I'm sure come the day we will be fully exonerated.Well now! It sounds like I may very well have to put you on the 'very bad' list along with Mole. Your Chritsmas hopes may just have been dashed!!!
Well, let's hope the Christmas stream where Chris plays his game will bring us glad tidings and cheer.
That may have been a low-blow... perhaps I'm now on the list too...
Yep. ED Odyssey says hello
Ding ding ding whataboutism!
CIG have hired people specifically with Unreal experience.
While tinfoilhattery, it could be possible that despite years of working on CryEngine, it might be still quicker for them to cobble together marketing videos in Unreal.
Intrepid3D, a big fan of SC and someone with experience of both engines has said that a ToW video looked like it was in Unreal, not CryEngine.
But without access to the source, of course all we can do is stupidly speculate. And laugh at the possibility.
SaltEMike went on a bit of a rant about mining today. Apparently he's a big fan of mining and done tons of it, but wasn't impressed with CIG's changes.
Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1196579414
To be honest, i'm not quite feeling his upset here.
To be honest, i'm not quite feeling his upset here.
Was talking in general of how a little bit of trickery can make in engine footage look better than the game - with Odyssey just being quite the prominent example
Source: https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/1456654282137219074
Well this is a pleasant surprise..
Well this is a pleasant surprise..
Yeah it's a good point, the sandbox editor seems very neat. They showcased it regarding the ship adverts etc:
The typical Cry/LY criticisms which might still be relevant here though could be stuff like build times / stability, and overall art workflow. IE like the complaints touched on in this angry LY rant:
A useful tool suddenly becomes somewhat blunted if you're then waiting Nx4 hrs for a render, which may then fail. (Versus N hrs in UE for more reliable output or whatever etc).
In the original 'leaked' example their focus was on building cinematics prior to full sign off. In that use case it could be the better option to go with the easier workflow / more reliable output etc, for faster iteration.
Given the known downsides of Cry/LY the core idea doesn't seem that outlandish ¯\(ツ)/¯
Throw in bonus stuff like the job adverts, and general in-house issues with tools & stability etc. And yeah. Chalk it up in the 'never know' category
Was talking in general of how a little bit of trickery can make in engine footage look better than the game - with Odyssey just being quite the prominent example
It's a cute point. But given that discussion was about a throw-away weekly vid, would that seem like an odd use of CIG's time/resources to you? Like if they were doing that form of polish or fakery weekly etc.
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