Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[LittleAnt]

Yeah I'm not saying state of the art or anything. But that guy's overall pitch is that the 'quicker' your RAM and SSD, the better off you'll be for performance etc (particularly in cityscapes). As much as that guy's analysis suggests it'll be bottlenecked a lot of the time, it seems like there's still a greater performance gain to be had from higher end CPUs (compared to GPUs).

The gain from HDD to SSD is huge (tested personnaly).
The gain for quicker RAM or SSD is negligeable (tested personnaly).
So no need for the best ram or best SSD.

The gain from 16Go to 24Go is important (tested personnaly).
The gain from 24Go to 32Go is light (tested personnaly)

About higher end CPUs, the only point important for now (before Vulkan implementation) is the power of one core and not the number of cores. The main thread and the render thread are constrained to one core each, so the real deal is the performance of each cores individualy. Some I5 have better FPS in SC than some i9.

 

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More stealth nerfs. Oh dear...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qvxf7q/_/hkz6bj8

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qvxf7q/survival_t0_we_are_not_that_far_guys_right/hkz6bj8/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qvxf7q/_/hkz6unc

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qvxf7q/survival_t0_we_are_not_that_far_guys_right/hkz6unc/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qvxf7q/_/hkz6wxo

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qvxf7q/survival_t0_we_are_not_that_far_guys_right/hkz6wxo/


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As a bonus, didn't realise the limb damage 'paper doll' had been dropped too (?). Would have thought that would be more useful now.

(Even though it glitched out at times, it did give you a chance of knowing which inanimate object had killed you )

You mean intimate object?

 

[PiLhEaD]

Backers celebrate the thought that the cost of a JPG will likely go up!

Everyone ready for the $350+ Redeemer? - Star Citizen Spectrum

Currently it's listed as $250 and has been for ages my redeemer is from 2015 and I got a package for $265. My point is that the ship has been that price for an age. Ok the things that make a ship...

robertsspaceindustries.com

In other news, apparently EAC doesn't like Cyrillic characters in path names. EAC simply decided all Russians are cheaters?

At the risk of breaking forum rules, I am taking pre-orders for my ship being designed for when the modding toolset is delivered.

It boxes above it's weight...

 

[LittleAnt]

Page file alteration... isn't

There is no pagefile alteration needed on all new computers with Windows installed on a SSD. By default, pagefile is set on a SSD and system managed.

The troubles occurs when :
- the guy deactivated it because he has read somewhere that with 16Go or more of RAM, pagefile is not needed and takes too much space on SSD
- the guy moved the pagefile on a HDD because he wants the space on the SSD for a software or a game
- the guy moved the pagefile on a HDD because he reads somewhere that pagefile wears out SSD
- the guy manually modified the amount of RAM of pagefile to 1-2Go or less because he needed the space in his SSD
- the disk where the pagefile is is full

 

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At the risk of breaking forum rules, I am taking pre-orders for my ship being designed for when the modding toolset is delivered.

It boxes above it's weight...

Eggcellent design. Impeckable even.

 

[LittleAnt]

About the pagefile some examples

I shrunk my page file so I had more space on my SSD to use. Some legacy and other programs freak out if the pagefile isn't there, so I have it set to a minimum size of 16mb, and max of 2048mb. Never had a problem set like that.

Source

And the wonderful

Disable Windows Pagefile and Hibernation To Free Up Space: If your computer is running low on disk space then you could always delete some of your data or better run disk cleanup to clean up temporary files but even after doing all that still facing the same issue? Then you need to disable Windows pagefile and hibernation to free up space on your hard disk.

 

[LittleAnt]

Another one "11 tips to improve Windows 10 performance"

2. Minimize the paging file​

The Windows paging file, or pagefile, is sometimes called Windows 10 virtual memory. It supports system crash dumps and enables the system to use physical RAM more efficiently by writing some file content to a hard disk if the main memory is near capacity.


On most Windows 10 systems with 8 GB of RAM or more, the OS manages the size of the paging file nicely. The paging file is typically 1.25 GB on 8 GB systems, 2.5 GB on 16 GB systems and 5 GB on 32 GB systems. For systems with more RAM, you can make the paging file somewhat smaller. You could trim the paging file to 2 GB on a 16 GB system, for example, or to 3.5 GB on a 32 GB system without running into any noticeable performance problems.


As a result, one of the Windows 10 performance tweaks you can make is to reduce the size of the paging file on such systems. You should avoid altering the paging file on 32-bit systems, however.

So, you read this wonderful article and manually set 2 GB of pagefile on your 16 GB systems.
Afterthat, you download SC to try it and it crashes because the game need usually 20GB of RAM (if you only launch SC) and you have capped your system to 18 (16+2) GB. If by chance he comes to reddit, we will ask him to check his pagefile and voilà.

 

[Darkfyre99]

OK, now I want to know: What's a real explorer?

Apparently, not me.

• I enjoy planetary exploration, limited though it was, often focusing interesting geological activity, since they are easiest to find quickly in the FSS without playing the so-called FSS mini-game.
• I don’t focus on maximizing my bodies scanned/hour, and instead focus on the things I enjoy.
• I don’t focus on maximizing my unexplored systems/hour, and am willing to finish partially surveyed systems, or even analyze surveyed systems, to see what the initial visitor was interested in finding.

According the exploration gatekeepers, that made me not a “real” explorer, and thus 90% of my exploration activities don’t count as actual exploration.

 

[VR Golgot]

The gain for quicker RAM or SSD is negligeable (tested personnaly).

I'll take his rather more in-depth test over your gut for now thanks Ant

There is no pagefile alteration needed on all new computers with Windows installed on a SSD. By default, pagefile is set on a SSD and system managed.

The troubles occurs when :
- the guy deactivated it because he has read somewhere that with 16Go or more of RAM, pagefile is not needed and takes too much space on SSD
- the guy moved the pagefile on a HDD because he wants the space on the SSD for a software or a game
- the guy moved the pagefile on a HDD because he reads somewhere that pagefile wears out SSD
- the guy manually modified the amount of RAM of pagefile to 1-2Go or less because he needed the space in his SSD
- the disk where the pagefile is is full

About the pagefile some examples

So, you read this wonderful article and manually set 2 GB of pagefile on your 16 GB systems.
Afterthat, you download SC to try it and it crashes because the game need usually 20GB of RAM (if you only launch SC) and you have capped your system to 18 (16+2) GB. If by chance he comes to reddit, we will ask him to check his pagefile and voilà.

You genuinely could have just said:

Don't alter your pagefile. Do get an SSD

 

[Ebob]

It is roadmap roundup day!!! Place your bets, what will happen today!

 

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Apparently, not me.

• I enjoy planetary exploration, limited though it was, often focusing interesting geological activity, since they are easiest to find quickly in the FSS without playing the so-called FSS mini-game.
• I don’t focus on maximizing my bodies scanned/hour, and instead focus on the things I enjoy.
• I don’t focus on maximizing my unexplored systems/hour, and am willing to finish partially surveyed systems, or even analyze surveyed systems, to see what the initial visitor was interested in finding.

According the exploration gatekeepers, that made me not a “real” explorer, and thus 90% of my exploration activities don’t count as actual exploration.

Nonsense. They have no idea what they're talking about. Retracing the steps of someone before can be as exciting. (Maybe it ended in a terrible demise?)

 

[Agony_Aunt]

There is no pagefile alteration needed on all new computers with Windows installed on a SSD. By default, pagefile is set on a SSD and system managed.

The troubles occurs when :
- the guy deactivated it because he has read somewhere that with 16Go or more of RAM, pagefile is not needed and takes too much space on SSD
- the guy moved the pagefile on a HDD because he wants the space on the SSD for a software or a game
- the guy moved the pagefile on a HDD because he reads somewhere that pagefile wears out SSD
- the guy manually modified the amount of RAM of pagefile to 1-2Go or less because he needed the space in his SSD
- the disk where the pagefile is is full

And did you ask them about these things? Or you just assumed the issue was because of the SSD/swap file?

Because that is what we normally see. Not a question as to whether they have a configuration that is good for SC, but a declaration they don't have something set right.

You said he shouldn't have freezing, he needs XYZ, basically absolving the game of any issues and placing the blame on the person's computer.

You jump to assuming that its the person's fault, not the game's fault.

Maybe they don't have their swap file on the SSD, maybe they don't have enough RAM, but perhaps ask first? Otherwise you end up looking like those who declare in youtube comments "Its because you don't have it on a SSD and you don't have enough RAM" and the youtuber says "Dude, its a mega ultrabeast computer with a bazillion ram and the swap file is on an SSD you complete and utter twonk"

 

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Backers celebrate the thought that the cost of a JPG will likely go up!

Everyone ready for the $350+ Redeemer? - Star Citizen Spectrum

Currently it's listed as $250 and has been for ages my redeemer is from 2015 and I got a package for $265. My point is that the ship has been that price for an age. Ok the things that make a ship...

robertsspaceindustries.com

In other news, apparently EAC doesn't like Cyrillic characters in path names. EAC simply decided all Russians are cheaters?

Bloody mayo eaters.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Another one "11 tips to improve Windows 10 performance"



So, you read this wonderful article and manually set 2 GB of pagefile on your 16 GB systems.
Afterthat, you download SC to try it and it crashes because the game need usually 20GB of RAM (if you only launch SC) and you have capped your system to 18 (16+2) GB. If by chance he comes to reddit, we will ask him to check his pagefile and voilà.

Dude, we believe you. We know SC is a resource hog. That was never in question.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Apparently, not me.

• I enjoy planetary exploration, limited though it was, often focusing interesting geological activity, since they are easiest to find quickly in the FSS without playing the so-called FSS mini-game.
• I don’t focus on maximizing my bodies scanned/hour, and instead focus on the things I enjoy.
• I don’t focus on maximizing my unexplored systems/hour, and am willing to finish partially surveyed systems, or even analyze surveyed systems, to see what the initial visitor was interested in finding.

According the exploration gatekeepers, that made me not a “real” explorer, and thus 90% of my exploration activities don’t count as actual exploration.

To be honest, i'm a bit of an exploration "gatekeeper" in ED. When people say they are exploring by running around the galaxy in 70LY range ships just to go to Beagle Point or some nebula i tell them they are not exploring. I tell them they are sightseeing. I say explorers seek out sights nobody else has seen, try and make discoveries.

Actually, basically what you said matches what i consider to be exploration

So i do gatekeep, but you get to pass the gate

 

[Agony_Aunt]

It is roadmap roundup day!!! Place your bets, what will happen today!

More money will be spent.

 

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I have two friends going to Edinburgh. It's a romantic story, tho one is a bloody English, the other a German who, like me, doesn't have a grain of humour in him. Any recommendations for this nightmarish concoction? I'd like to see them having a good time, with them haven't seen each othher for a while with lockdown and what.

 

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You can't seriously compare the "gameplay" aspects of exploration with chess. As a chess player, I consider that an insult to chess or must be a case of complete ignorance of what chess actually is. Tons of gameplay? Please, get real and let's talk about milligrams.

It's true, chess mechanics are simple. Today's video games are more complex.

 

[Viajero]

You can't seriously compare the "gameplay" aspects of exploration with chess. As a chess player, I consider that an insult to chess or must be a case of complete ignorance of what chess actually is. Tons of gameplay? Please, get real and let's talk about milligrams.

I can and I do. Not an insult at all, there is indeed tons of gameplay and depth in Elite exploration. I suspect what is happening here is that your definition of exploration is just a bit too narrow.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I have two friends going to Edinburgh. It's a romantic story, tho one is a bloody English, the other a German who, like me, doesn't have a grain of humour in him. Any recommendations for this nightmarish concoction? I'd like to see them having a good time, with them haven't seen each othher for a while with lockdown and what.

Glasgow city center on a Friday night. English guy should be sure to wear a union jack shirt. The locals will really love him.