Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Just your own judgement. You said Chris Roberts is delivering now something and you seem to have fun with it. Well, if it was delivered now, what rating score you think SC would deserve as a product?
My own judgement for game is only based on fun.
So for SC 6/10. Every other space games are below for me except NMS at 8/10 (but I don't play it anymore).
 
Yesterday I've played 2 hours on SC, a space game in alpha I really enjoy (and prefer to the other spacegames on the market) despite it's bugs. Precise what you call "not delivering" because for me, CR is delivering now what I always wanted from a space game.
None of this makes it ok. I don't get why you refuse to see that.

You're a business owner. Do you think your own customers would be ok getting 1% of what they were promised while paying 80x more for it. Do you think they would post messages defending you....

It's as weird as it can get imo.
 
None of this makes it ok. I don't get why you refuse to see that.

You're a business owner. Do you think your own customers would be ok getting 1% of what they were promised while paying 80x more for it. Do you think they would post messages defending you....

It's as weird as it can get imo.
Dunno people can write off stuff you wouldn't believe.

I knew a guy who bought himself a sports car from one of those small British firms that still make them - it was fast, shiny .... and broke down all the time. I think the worst was when he was over in Europe (Spain?) and the fuel tank just split in half, stranding him. It took days for him to get back, and weeks to get the car back & repaired - but he kept the car and used it. He never had a bad word to say about the maker, seemed to think it was a good source of anecdotes more than anything.

Most people would say that wasn't sensible, but he reckoned he got more enjoyment out of the car than pain.... now I read it back that sounds a lot like SC :D
 
Dunno people can write off stuff you wouldn't believe.

I knew a guy who bought himself a sports car from one of those small British firms that still make them - it was fast, shiny .... and broke down all the time. I think the worst was when he was over in Europe (Spain?) and the fuel tank just split in half, stranding him. It took days for him to get back, and weeks to get the car back & repaired - but he kept the car and used it. He never had a bad word to say about the maker, seemed to think it was a good source of anecdotes more than anything.

Most people would say that wasn't sensible, but he reckoned he got more enjoyment out of the car than pain.... now I read it back that sounds a lot like SC :D

How much did he pay? Most are reluctant to admit they made a poor purchase decusion.
 
Watching FTR's 2021 recap, and oh my he's just reminded of the "AI, lifecycle and NPC taxi and so on" claims. Not a scam, but handled by compulsively lying crooks

Source: https://youtu.be/Y6NsZ-4Z8Tc?t=1045

Starts around 17:25

Look, it's fine if your AI is [manure] and you're still working on making a game... It's absolutely embarrassing if you're just under half a billion of crowdfunded dollars (not counting all of the private investments) and you still don't have even the slightest functioning AI but that doesn't mean it's not acceptable. The game is nowhere near release, SQ42 is not near release so it doesn't have to be cutting edge nor even good NPC behaviour.
Yet, what isn't fine and why these demos [irritate] me off so much is when you have a senior developer on big convention demos telling everyone that the AI is advanced, when you have demos made to look like the game isin a further developed state than it actually is. The issue with this project's development is that this isn't just something limited to AI behaviour, it's widespread across SC's development when CIG portrays SC's progress.
But we're still almost always accompanied during some marketing event or some other marketin material to lure in new backers with this false pretense.
 
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Watching FTR's 2021 recap, and oh my he's just reminded of the "AI, lifecycle and NPC taxi and so on" claims. Not a scam, but handled by compulsively lying crooks

Source: https://youtu.be/Y6NsZ-4Z8Tc?t=1045

Starts around 17:25

"While CIG slap the word Alpha on every f*-ing surface they can, that word means f* all in the industry today"

Bingo! - also an "alpha phase" with no defined end isn't a phase by definition. So by software lifecyle terms it no longer has any meaning as there is no subsequent beta/release phases to utilise anything learned during the proceeding phases. In this case, it's just a way of up-selling broken software to end users without accountability.
 
Dunno people can write off stuff you wouldn't believe.

I knew a guy who bought himself a sports car from one of those small British firms that still make them - it was fast, shiny .... and broke down all the time. I think the worst was when he was over in Europe (Spain?) and the fuel tank just split in half, stranding him. It took days for him to get back, and weeks to get the car back & repaired - but he kept the car and used it. He never had a bad word to say about the maker, seemed to think it was a good source of anecdotes more than anything.

Most people would say that wasn't sensible, but he reckoned he got more enjoyment out of the car than pain.... now I read it back that sounds a lot like SC :D

Sounds like a TVR of some sort, if he did buy a TVR he knew exactly what he was purchasing, that's one of the selling points of the vehicle range, hugely fun to drive, liable to suddenly leap off the road and kill you at any moment, and breaks down all the time.....if I had to money I would buy one in a second.
 
"While CIG slap the word Alpha on every f*-ing surface they can, that word means f* all in the industry today"

Bingo! - also an "alpha phase" with no defined end isn't a phase by definition. So by software lifecyle terms it no longer has any meaning as there is no subsequent beta/release phases to utilise anything learned during the proceeding phases. In this case, it's just a way of up-selling broken software to end users without accountability.
The end of the alpha phase have been defined by CR.
 
CR : "excuse me Sandy, I can't go in the yatch you have rented for my birthday because I've said in 2013 that if I buy a yatch and put a photo of me, people will be upset and they will not understand I was only talking about buying a boat and not renting it or going on a yatch's friend. I'm doomed, I will not be able in my whole life to put a foot on a yatch...
You're right, it's a fairly ridiculous comment for CR to make, but it probably sold a few more ships. Enough to get a yacht and...well, you get it.
 
I believe the nebulous 4.0 is when the project leaves alpha. There is no date (one need only look at how patches are being enumerated now to see how they are trying to hit the brakes before the finish line). However, one can only hope that 4.0 will not be as barren as 3.0 was compared to the tech CIG was assuring people would be delivered (but wasn't).

It's a new year. Christmas, Orthodox Christmas, and the first day of Carnival Season are over, so I'm back to being my cynical self.
 
He has already delivered parts of what was sold and continue. Parts that I like very much and that are enough for me to put SC ahead of the other space games released.

He is continuing, he still won't deliver what he sold. Case in point: Massive space battles with hundreds or thousands of players. That one is now off the table.

It also seems highly probable that the 110 systems backers paid for will never happen, at least, not without some serious compromises in fidelity.
 
None of this makes it ok. I don't get why you refuse to see that.

You're a business owner. Do you think your own customers would be ok getting 1% of what they were promised while paying 80x more for it. Do you think they would post messages defending you....

It's as weird as it can get imo.

As a business owner and customer anyone should be concerned about being sold one thing and being delivered another.
 
Neither does CR.
Got the groundwork of the game done, their scaled down server meshing seems to work, CR didn't say this, the Network team did. Star Citizen can be a great game, and in many ways it already is. Star Atlas on the other hand? Well, they have nothing.
 
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