Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Quanta is complete nollocks. The other stuff is already enough to tax the networking stuff. FD has tick rates of weeks or days for the BGS and states. and they're not fully dynamic. Eve doesn't have a background sim and is fueled by player driven market, I believe. A company that didn't figure out what game to make for over a decade, who can't come up with a scalable network solution and can't manage to release another new region of their world - how are they supposed to design an economic sim / NPC AI that allows real-time sim of bg tasks without impeding the bandwith? I don't think that stuff is viable real time. You could have offline bg server calculate and inject states periodically while the players play on a static snapshot, without much bandwith and computation bottlenecks. Kinda like ED does it.

Yeah there's an obvious excess to the plans they've cooked up over the years.

Like, everyone wants to see background sim stuff be dynamic, and be represented by changes at both the global and character levels. But expecting an environment to be 90% NPCs reflecting all of this, living their own lives, reifying dynamically due to the whims of player action. It's.... unlikely. (Especially given all the other extravagant desires caked onto the project already ;))
 
Jared did note: "No Sandworms here" and the citcon presentation felt less exciting than the last ones so I'm pretty sure they didn't fake it.

Yeah they claimed that this time it wouldn't be a hacked demo. And I kinda like the admission ;)

It's kind of impossible to tell at this point though really. Ultimately it wasn't a million miles away from the stealth mission in 2019 Citcon:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tB3cark5lA&t=15m22s


And those kind of larger 'access from any direction' bases etc still aren't in the game. Nor the hacked plates, insinuated AI stealth detection routines, stealth mission goals etc.

¯\(ツ)
 
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In a way, I like that as an exit strategy. It's like slowly backing out of a room to leave someone else in charge of the mess.
Everything in Ci¬G's latest strategies point to it. The management and parent company are backing away from the current money making part of the project (the PU) and concentrating on what they will class in a business sense, a different and viable sales product (Sqn 42)... also leveraging their current and projected equity value to secure new premises, new UK government based funding and possible further investment from the private sector via business planning. It's all smoke and mirrors done through projecting future equitable valuations, not profit driven sales.

Securing loans and/or investment to continue or further a company or business model...Governments and rich people don't care what a company produces (or not in Ci¬G's case) they only see the numbers. Ci¬G (or more accurately, Roberts and Co) as a parent company are living off of and selling off equity piece by piece so by the time the dust settles, nobody will know who's in charge of what...The idiot Roberts and Co will have left the building surfing high on their personal fortunes.
 
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How much do you estimate the actual company's debt to be in 2021 ?
That is precisely one of the shortcoming of CIG´s financial "blog". Debts, in terms of existing loans or other outstanding payments (like potential dues to Calders), are not visible in that "blog" since there is not even a basic balance sheet in it. The fact that CIG is hiding the balance sheet should already tell you something about it though.
 
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In a way, I like that as an exit strategy. It's like slowly backing out of a room to leave someone else in charge of the mess.
I mean if what Chris Roberts and family would be doing there is to sell their own equity to leave the room for new investors, yeah. But if what they would be doing was to issue new equity out of thin air they would be diluting the Calders share value and %, and any related rights. That would be a serious issue for the Calders unless their investment agreement included fixed returns and/or fixed price buy back options irrespective of the share number and price.
 
Holy Moley! Have you been secretly accounting, you rascal?
I ran quite a successful farm for a time...starting from absolutely nothing but a derelict farmhouse and a few perceived land valuations and securing subsidies and government funding along the way to help it grow...not for personal gain of course since I remain as poor as a church mouse with nothing to my name...but a formerly derelict family farm owned for generations by my mother's side of the family is now a decent earner for my kids and their offspring :)
 
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Everything in Ci¬G's latest strategies point to it. The management and parent company are backing away from the current money making part of the project (the PU) and concentrating on what they will class in a business sense, a different and viable sales product (Sqn 42)... also leveraging their current and projected equity value to secure new premises, new UK government based funding and possible further investment from the private sector via business planning. It's all smoke and mirrors done through projecting future equitable valuations, not profit driven sales.

Securing loans and/or investment to continue or further a company or business model...Governments and rich people don't care what a company produces (or not in Ci¬G's case) they only see the numbers. Ci¬G are living off of and selling off equity piece by piece so by the time the dust settles, nobody will know who's in charge of what...The idiot Roberts and Co will have left the building surfing high on their personal fortunes.
Good point - I agree.May I add this. The UK company has claimed video games tax relief against SQ42, you need to complete the game and get the final certification otherwise the relief can be cancelled, given the length of time Sq42 has been in development that could be a sizable sum. You could bump the company of course, but directors would be in the line of fire. I think this might be at the heart of the push on Sq42, it's currently a loose end. The main game is okay, its released and backers have been given something so no liabilities there, but SQ42 must be finished before the ship sales dry up. Given the release notes Mole posted there is little to suggest anything more than a token number of DEV's are working on the SC side other than the ship creation team which is needed for SQ42 anyway. . .
 
Good point - I agree.May I add this. The UK company has claimed video games tax relief against SQ42, you need to complete the game and get the final certification otherwise the relief can be cancelled, given the length of time Sq42 has been in development that could be a sizable sum. You could bump the company of course, but directors would be in the line of fire. I think this might be at the heart of the push on Sq42, it's currently a loose end. The main game is okay, its released and backers have been given something so no liabilities there, but SQ42 must be finished before the ship sales dry up. Given the release notes Mole posted there is little to suggest anything more than a token number of DEV's are working on the SC side other than the ship creation team which is needed for SQ42 anyway. . .
Don't forget Turbulent...they're not an independent development studio in their own right... yet, nor may they decide to continue to work on Ci¬G's cast offs when they are, but for the moment, they still remain taking up the slack through producing and developing PU related content ...as well as some core tech... left by Ci¬G in their push to bring Sqn 42 to some conclusion.
 
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I mean if what Chris Roberts and family would be doing there is to sell their own equity to leave the room for new investors, yeah. But if what they would be doing was to issue new equity out of thin air they would be diluting the Calders share value and %, and any related rights. That would be a serious issue for the Calders unless their investment agreement included fixed returns and/or fixed price buy back options irrespective of the share number and price.
Based on what we know from the UK side of the business, it’s a “why not both” situation. IIRC, about 20% of the Calders buy in came directly from the Roberts’ (and Ortwin’s) “shares” of the company. Everything else was newly created shares. And of course, we know that CIG is buying back Calder’s shares, so it’s likely Calders insisted that some terms and conditions be attached.

(edit: misinterpretation on my part)
 
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But they also note in the same Q&A that the new systems may bring their own issues:



So there'll be teething problems most likely. But should get server tick up overall ideally, allowing more AI stuff.

My guess would be that event based will bring better performance when there is less happening. When there is more happening then it will exacerbate the problems.

So its not so much a solution just an alternative. What it probably won't do is help most when it most needs to. But it will provide a nice illusion of things are overall better because if they keep the population relatively low, on average, there won't be much going on so less issues felt... unless, for example, a large group of players all decide to get together and do something like have a battle.
 
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