Star Citizen Discussions v7

FWIW DS:

"I am hearing CIG was already under clear threat of IP infringement lawsuit before they pledged SQ42 & other materials to @CouttsandCo for the UK loan. This presents another problem as they would have had to disclose this to the bank."
 
You've got a point. Although I think the intention was that it would be one-universe at the Kickstarter stage?

That probably was fine when it was bought as a package or as one.

I mean wasn't SQN 42 originally a Single player campaign that lead into the Open world of Star Citizen, so you could see that all being one game
But separated as different purchasable items.

Even the complaint mentioned that it was CIG announcing then proceeding to sell it as a separate game that was the issue
 
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Depends on what your definition of "Star Citizen" is.

To me, Star Citizen is the overriding parent entity for the entire IP.

Haha, no. If you want to know what a 'product' is, you go to the store->products. CIG registered two products, sells them separately, markets them separately, claims to have separate teams for them and has separate conventions dedicated to them. This is really two products, that much is super clear.

A judge doesnt care how we 'feel' about IP or 'personally define' it. That is just not how law works I am afraid. ;)
 
Haha, no. If you want to know what a 'product' is, you go to the store->products. CIG registered two products, sells them separately, markets them separately, claims to have separate teams for them and has separate conventions dedicated to them. This is really two products, that much is super clear.

A judge doesnt care how we 'feel' about IP or 'personally define' it. That is just not how law works I am afraid. ;)

Yea. I was talking about the time when the agreement with Crytek was taken. At that time, 'Star Citizen' was one game.
 

dayrth

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Well, they take place in the same universe. Kinda like you can take your ME1 save into ME2: Sq42 was supposed to allow you to bring your character into SC. But in no way does that mean you can just take the engine you licensed for SC and use it for free in Sq42.

Not if you charge for S42 separately, which I believe they were going to do.


aaand... ninjad again by Vasious and sleutelbos. I'm just not quick enough.
 
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Not if you charge for S42 separately, which I believe they were going to do.

And by doing that.... well here we are.

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Well if the Coutts stuff has legs then it starts to look like ELEs are like buses.

You don't see one for ages then 2 or even 3 turn up at once!
 
Well if the Coutts stuff has legs then it starts to look like ELEs are like buses.

You don't see one for ages then 2 or even 3 turn up at once!

Thing is, His "ELE" is like saying "One Day, the world will End".

It's so vague and without substance, one day eventually, it will come to pass. The writing was on the wall, I give him that, but it's more of a series of badly managed events rather than a single K-T event.
 
"Court will now recess for 5 minutes while juror number 7 is consumed. Anyone else on Crytek's side?"
White Knights must expend 1 magic point every round to keep Chris Roberts calm. If WK's run out of money...err, magic points, Chris begins to expand exponentially obliterating everything in his path.
 
If CIG still has tens of millions of dollars in reserves, then this won't bring down CIG or SC. At worst it would delay development and substantially reduce their budget. If CIG can't afford a legal settlement then it would mean either SC development stops and/or what remains is sold to another company.

At worst, it will give CIG, yet ANOTHER excuse to say why the project has failed or being delayed. Let's blame it on.... (big breath) Derek Smart, Crytek, Goons... and so on.
 
It does happen in other sectors such as the music industry. Some record labels haven't paid their artists for a long time or only a percentage of what's owed. Then when they get a lawsuit, they deliberately drag it along for as long as possible to delay paying anything. Meanwhile, those artist are still signed to the record label or can't release another album until its resolved.

Sure - except in this case, CryTek holds the power. They are the one with the engine CIG are using. Refusing to pay and making someone you need angry at you...angry enough o sue and remove your rights to said engine and the work you have done to date...gives CIG nothing.

Yes that would be costly for CIG. Even if CIG can afford a financial settlement, if they lose their assets and stuff made with CryEngine, that's a major blow and also hurts confidence of the backers in CIG to deliver the game. If they need to remake all those assets in a new engine then Star Citizen will not be released for at least another 3 years.

No. It won't be released at all. Noone is going to make Star Citizen. Even CIG was unlikely to release the Star Citizen that was promised, but CIG are going to have very few backers left if they have to start all over again.

I disagree, it opens a lot of new possibilties. The CryEngine was much more limited, also other game developers could use it if they licensed it, but it's not clear if it's their engine.

How many game systems need 64 bit precision? Very, very few. How many need procedural generation of planets and solar systems? Very very few. How many need procedural generation of cities? Very, very few. There are a few odds and ends that CIG added - such as RaaT - that would be useful, but most of the work they did was because they were creating a very niche genre that most engines did not and do not support. That's why other companies such as HG and FD and NQ develop their own engines. It's actually LESS work in many ways than adapting an existing engine.
 
On the issue of destroying or handing over CryEngine assets. If I design and build a ship in a third party modelling tool, that is then displayed in CryEngine, is it really a CryEngine asset?
 
At worst, it will give CIG, yet ANOTHER excuse to say why the project has failed or being delayed. Let's blame it on.... (big breath) Derek Smart, Crytek, Goons... and so on.

The blame game will come later (as a DLC) if they lose (settlement) or if it goes all the way to court and they lose (there is only one option and that is winning) after the dust settles, oh boy, then we will see the aftermath ....
 

lots of= more than 10 :D

1. a lot or lots Informal
a. A large extent, amount, or number: is in a lot of trouble; has lots of friends.
b. Used adverbially to mean "to a great degree or extent" or "frequently": felt a lot better; ran lots faster; doesn't go out a whole lot; has seen her lots lately.
c. A number of associated people or things: placating an angry lot of tenants; kids who were a noisy lot.
d. Miscellaneous articles sold as one unit: a lot of stamps sold at an auction.
 
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