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AJW

AJW
Calrissian said:
My apologies. That was a quickie from a phone.

I'll just leave this....https://www.google.com/search?clien...AhXK5lQKHUniA90QzToItgEoATAZ&biw=1405&bih=939

And you can pick whatever you like. :)
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Thank you. This is from Forbes:

Report Claims 'Star Citizen' Is Almost Out Of Cash, Chris Roberts' Insatiable Ambition Is To Blame

Feature creep could be killing Star Citizen, and a new report contains troubling accusations about the game's development, work atmosphere, and dwindling resources.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...insatiable-ambition-is-to-blame/#f66c3745eed3

Strangely enough, none of this is mentioned in Wikipedia. Or perhaps not that strange, since it appears that the largest single contributor to the Wikipedia biography of Roberts has been blocked for 'sockpuppetry', in Wikipedia's words "an editor who has devoted most of their time to updating figures and promoting Star Citizen".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Renamed_user_nnnnnnnnnn/Archive

Of course the puffery on Wikipedia wouldn't matter much if it wasn't part of a larger pattern of gushing hype surrounding Roberts and his latest venture.

(Incidentally, a nice little postscript on Roberts' first published game: the type-it-in King Kong for the BBC Micro. It turns out that he was commissioned to write this by the magazine editor - who was the teacher who taught him BASIC. Roberts would have been about 13 at the time.)
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/chris-roberts-star-citizen-profile
 
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Calrissian

Calrissian
ZeeWolf said:
You said you give Star Citizen the "Benefit of the doubt" over angry consumers because Chris Roberts had an excellent video game portfolio.

The original Kickstarter for Godus was also for a PC game (the mobile game came later in an attempt to court funding from a publisher) and was also made by a developer whose portfolio of games included Populous, Syndicate, Magic Carpet, Dungeon Master, Theme Park, Black & White, Fable etc. (games I personally think more varied and interesting than samey multi-path space shooting ranges)

There are probably more instances of well established "old school" developers failing long standing fans through Kickstarter than there are instances of fans being especially pleased with the results to the point where people are asking if it's such a good idea afterall

It's totally relevant as your argument is that these developers should be given the benefit of the doubt, we should throw cash at them just because of what they made twenty/thirty years ago without expecting them to make a product that can stand up on it's own merits?
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My comments were in reference to Chris Roberts. Godus has nothing to do with Chris Roberts and Star Citizen. Besides that, it's a SUCCESSFUL game.

I'm going to end this correspondence here.
 

Thargon

Thargon
MTBFritz said:
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Its good that you keep repeating that. Because your posts paint a different picture so I m glad you make sure we dont forget you are not a fanatic :)



:eek::eek::eek: reported for avoiding the filter !!!!!
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Ooops! My bad, slip of the keyboard. I'll go edit my post now ;)
 

Komemiute

Komemiute
Calrissian said:
Have you people thought about all the good that will come about if the RSI team succeeds in the Star Citizen endeavor? They are taking on a monumental task that has never been done before.
A leap forward in knowledge, understanding, and experience in all related technologies.
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So is Frontier. Aaaaand they're also delivering.
 

Calrissian

Calrissian
AJW said:
Thank you. This is from Forbes:



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...insatiable-ambition-is-to-blame/#f66c3745eed3

Strangely enough, none of this is mentioned in Wikipedia. Or perhaps not that strange, since it appears that the largest single contributor to the Wikipedia biography of Roberts has been blocked for 'sockpuppetry', in Wikipedia's words "an editor who has devoted most of their time to updating figures and promoting Star Citizen".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Renamed_user_nnnnnnnnnn/Archive

Of course the puffery on Wikipedia wouldn't matter much if it wasn't part of a larger pattern of gushing hype surrounding Roberts and his latest venture.

(Incidentally, a nice little postscript on Roberts' first published game: the type-it-in King Kong for the BBC Micro. It turns out that he was commissioned to write this by the magazine editor - who was the teacher who taught him BASIC. Roberts would have been about 13 at the time.)
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/chris-roberts-star-citizen-profile
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I find it interesting that the Escapists's articles concerning the matter have been removed! That's pretty damning as to grounds of liability.

Forbes cites the Escapist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-demands-apology-and-retraction/#3f7ceb9d17b1
 
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Calrissian

Calrissian
Thargon said:
Seriously... are you for real?
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Quite! If you are adamant about free press and protecting innocents through the media, then the Escapist should have stood firm in support of what was presented.

They didn't.

This is the page where the article should have been. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ns-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo

The article was retracted. The Escapist ate crow. The article was either false and/or the sources were unreliable. There wasn't enough there for the Escapist to back in a court of law. If it were a money issue, I'm sure the Escapist could have appealed to all the angry SC supporters who don't think things are progressing fast enough, for funds.

But they didn't.
 
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ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
Calrissian said:
My comments were in reference to Chris Roberts. Godus has nothing to do with Chris Roberts and Star Citizen. Besides that, it's a SUCCESSFUL game.

I'm going to end this correspondence here.
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Eh? I thought your comments were in reference to Chris Robert's game portfolio. You should have said you were giving Chris Roberts the benefit of the doubt JUST because he's Chris Roberts then I wouldn't have been able to make comparisons to other projects.

Godus on mobile is NOT the game that Kickstarter backers pledged cash for (the game by 22 cans). It would be like CIG running out of cash and making an ok-ish Nintendo Wii game with the same name for a publisher.
 
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MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Calrissian said:
Quite! If you are adamant about free press and protecting innocents through the media, then the Escapist should have stood firm in support of what was presented.

They didn't.

This is the page where the article should have been. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ns-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo

The article was retracted. The Escapist ate crow. The article was either false and/or the sources were unreliable. There wasn't enough there for the Escapist to back in a court of law. If it were a money issue, I'm sure the Escapist could have appealed to all the angry SC supports who don't think things are progressing fast enough, for funds.

But they didn't.
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we dont know why the article was taken down. If CiG "made" them do it then they would have made an official statement by now. None came forth. Also the return letters by CRoberts himself was also taken down so I rather propose its because CRoberts begged in the dirt and offered to do the same or he threw backer money at them to pay them off. Hey, these scenarios are as likely as yours :)
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Calrissian said:
Quite! If you are adamant about free press and protecting innocents through the media, then the Escapist should have stood firm in support of what was presented.

They didn't.

This is the page where the article should have been. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ns-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo

The article was retracted. The Escapist ate crow. The article was either false and/or the sources were unreliable. There wasn't enough there for the Escapist to back in a court of law. If it were a money issue, I'm sure the Escapist could have appealed to all the angry SC supporters who don't think things are progressing fast enough, for funds.

But they didn't.
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Meanwhile you are linking to wikipedia pages about medieval naval traditions because there is no actual gameplay to fuel your dreams. That should normally be some kind of sign, ya know. :)
 

Calrissian

Calrissian
Thargon said:
They didn't because of internet media laywers like the ones employed by CIG. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ortwin_Freyermuth much?

Sockpuppetry at it's finest.
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There's nothing damning in that link.

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MTBFritz said:
we dont know why the article was taken down. If CiG "made" them do it then they would have made an official statement by now. None came forth. Also the return letters by CRoberts himself was also taken down so I rather propose its because CRoberts begged in the dirt and offered to do the same or he threw backer money at them to pay them off. Hey, these scenarios are as likely as yours :)
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LOL!
 

frostypaw

frostypaw
Calrissian said:
I find it interesting that the Escapists's articles concerning the matter have been removed! That's pretty damning as to grounds of liability.

Forbes cites the Escapist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-demands-apology-and-retraction/#3f7ceb9d17b1
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Aw shucks, he got us. They took that down for some reason - that puts it beyond doubt - CR is indeed the second coming of Christ, all his games were actually hugely successful and he was a real programmer on them all, they all were released on time and they pretty much saved the PC as a gaming device. His films were all big successes that reaped vast critical acclaim and the development has so far gone swimmingly to say the least.

No reason to doubt anything, everyone carry on saving up for their Polaris.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
frostypaw said:
Aw shucks, he got us. They took that down for some reason - that puts it beyond doubt - CR is indeed the second coming of Christ, all his games were actually hugely successful and he was a real programmer on them all, they all were released on time and they pretty much saved the PC as a gaming device. His films were all big successes that reaped vast critical acclaim and the development has so far gone swimmingly to say the least.

No reason to doubt anything, everyone carry on saving up for their Polaris.
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LOL!
 

VidarSnipes

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I find Roberts' reaction to that article to be the best piece of evidence for it being true. And removing it is quite understandable if you remember that Escapist loses money all the time.
 

Cobra1984

C
Calrissian said:
Quite! If you are adamant about free press and protecting innocents through the media, then the Escapist should have stood firm in support of what was presented.

They didn't.

This is the page where the article should have been. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ns-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo

The article was retracted. The Escapist ate crow. The article was either false and/or the sources were unreliable. There wasn't enough there for the Escapist to back in a court of law. If it were a money issue, I'm sure the Escapist could have appealed to all the angry SC supporters who don't think things are progressing fast enough, for funds.

But they didn't.
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The article was not retracted - a retraction was not posted. The article was taken down and a message posted that it was a mutual agreement.

CIG could have asked them to post a retraction but didn't, which gives me the impression they knew full well the validity of the sources.

They settled it behind closed doors and no retraction was posted by the Escapist. That's all that can be said if we're being honest about it.

Also it won a Kunkel prize for video game journalism
 

urFOOLISHNESS

U
Big 5 personality traits. Look it up. It explains so much about why some people (high in agreeableness) have way more capacity for giving the benefit of the doubt. They are also more likely to be run over and manipulated by co-workers/bosses. People who are high in conscientiousness are much more tuned to order and deadlines and such. Everyone has a genetic level for all 5 and, although it can be altered some, these traits can predict with good accuracy your political leanings, relationship preferences and such.
 

Vasious

Vasious
Calrissian said:
Read these and use your imagination.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/Pages/Navy-Officer-Titles.aspx#.WYNXbq3MzMU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafarer's_professions_and_ranks
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Why do I need to use my imagination?
Wont each have a gameplay role to play on ship, a station with gameplay attached?

Yes one could imagine "I am a rating" or "I am a Wiper working towards getting a Oilers pay" bout outside RP what will they actually do on board during normal operations?

If you were the CO of the DD, how you you sell to me, a job on your ship as a Rating or deck hand?
 
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