They are legally required to do so. They didnt initially, until officials pressured CIG.
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They are legally required to do so. They didnt initially, until officials pressured CIG.
Agreed. It's models are amazing and their planetary tech completely eclipses that of ED. However, what they actually have is a collection of really nice looking assets that barely work together.
An analogy might be the construct in The Matrix. They start off with an empty room and then load in assets. There is no spoon...I mean, there is no game, just a "level", the word actually used by CR on several occasions, with some assets thrown in.
I have never thought of ED in the terms of "levels", but CR obviously thinks that of his own creation. It's a pretty old-school way of looking at things, at least as far as a space sim is concerned.
Wasn't there talk of them licensing their 'crowdfunding platform' at one point, I wonder what happened to that idea?
They have similar non-success with Kythera. Except for a few people connected via Crytek and former employees like Wingman, they're grasping for customers for this unnecessary library.
Fun spare time project: Ask staunch defenders of CIG what they believe subsumption means and what the difference is to other forms of ai. Or what other forms they know of. Or how Star Citizen will benefit from subsumption AI. Hint: "More intelligent NPCs" is not the right answer.
Whooo! I couldn't disagree more. They have nice hand made textures and some nice geometry, but their "planetary tech" is really primitive in comparison to what FD are doing. What made you say that?
To be fair, it's not just AI. Many of the staunch defenders have a demonstrably tenuous grasp of many of the concepts they go on about at length. I'm not sure if it's inexperience or wishful thinking, but it's certainly unsettling.
On the matter of refunds: Yes they are required to issue refunds. Also note that this applies to any Kickstarter that hasn't delivered as well. I recently got my full refund after the Tiko 3D Printer project folded and the creators announced that there would be no refunds. If you paid by credit card, it's a matter of filling out a form with the facts. Don't get wooed in with the weird argument that requesting a refund would constitute "stealing from the other backers".
(I was bewildered that this was ever considered to be a valid opinion anywhere. Much less that people asking for refunds would receive insults and treats.)
(I was bewildered that this was ever considered to be a valid opinion anywhere. Much less that people asking for refunds would receive insults and treats.)
Atmo lightning provides a lot. Its hard to compare one with and one without, tbh.
This one moon that RSI showed looks light years better than any of our land-able beige wastelands. It has more variety in "biomes" better close up details, and really good looking atmosphere/lighting effects. Yes its just ONE and we have billions but - as much as I laugh at RSI project, this planet they have created looks way way better than our rocks.
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Which is why i am looking at the geometry of the planet surface, and this is where ED excels. I just image the FAoff canyon runs with a blue sky and some high res texture for the rocks plus some vegetation and it looks much better than what i have seen in any SC demo. Basically the question is what kind of tech demo could FD make if they would aim for maximal fidelity but don't care about giving an honest impression about the near future.
too bad all we can do is look at it.
I'm sure the FD graphics dept could do the same if it didn't have to be part of a playable game.
Looking at all the bugs and crash issues during the live-stream and main presentation I believe it is indeed "playable" game just with heavy scripted parts for poor Roberts to show off. Of course no idea when we will get our hands on it.
It's up to you whether you ask for a refund but I seriously doubt CR will know or even care if he did know, whether you got a refund or not. 5000+ people asking for one .... maybe
Yea I watched the "team" playing the demo at the booth and thought to myself, these folks are bored to death of what they are demoing. Laughing and cutting up just to cover up what appears to be boredom. Tryin to put the rover (or what ever it's called) on to the top of a ship (which incidentally we've already done in ED) .... Oh well ... Yes I admit that SC, what there is of it is looking good. But ..... not that I am a fashion critique, but I did not like Sandi's pants suite .....
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DIfference is when FD makes improvements and introduce atmos planets, we will see thousands of them. Making one such level isn't that challenging. It is not really a planet tech, just a handcrafted items thrown together to resemble something like planet.
Derek hasn't been that successful with scoops lately, so take with grand spoon of salt, but Squdron 42 isn't around anywhere in CIG show notes neither.
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/902547231831707648
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/902547231831707648
We won't see anything like that in ED anyway. That moon shouldn't even have an atmosphere due to its size. There wouldn't be enough mass to hold anything but perhaps a very tenuous atmosphere, if any at all.
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I have obviously last track of FD development When are FD introducing landing on atmos planets, I'm still awaiting being able to walk around stations. Please please tell me it is soon, is it the 2017?
I imagine that it is a huge technical challenge and require a lot of work, In fact I always presumed that they would delay it and work on more gameplay and content.
Huh? The one moon they've shown had exactly one biome: the lifeless rocky wasteland biome. Which is the same one Elite's had for years, and which still hasn't been delivered for SC.
Ofc they will, it's an iterative process until they find the sweet spot of "fun" and balance. It will allways be an ongoing process along development and after release. That's just the way mmorpg's work, the more complex is the game the harder it is to balance it to achieve an "overall fun" experience.
You might be mistaking the limited 3.0 build that allowed average gamers to text some vehicles and weapons for a few minutes at the Gamescom Booth with the Gamescom Show made specially for the hard-core backers at the Gloria Theater that has nothing to do with the Gamescom Convention or it's generalized public.
Considering that the gear you wear influences your ability to breath, carry certain weapons or even endure certain temperatures I'd say it's very relevant to the core gameplay. Besides they showcased the modular clothing system quite nicely with the armor fitting nicely within all the layers.
What we saw from AI is more than what we saw before, we saw NPC's interacting when entering the store or speaking at us when passing which is something. They talked about 200 NPC's in Levski alone roaming around. Makes a ton of difference when making a place look alive.
Oxigen / Survival feature affects directly the gameplay and opens up gameplay options. Video/Sound Player Com's and FaceTrack+VOIP are relevant for the project as it was a feature planned since the beginning.
Cargo Transportation is clearly tied with the Trading profession and all the Quests that involve picking up /stealing stuff.
Having 2 Idris flyable along with more ship's is an enormous technical achievement. It show's great progress considering that some time ago they were having trouble getting 1 Idris to work.
Having 2 ship's seamlessly landing on a Idris IS a technical advancement. Considering the complications they have had to overcome just to build the big ship's getting them into a flyable state and with players going in and out of them it's nice to see.
Those are all clear showcases of "several progress in both game features and technical advancements".
But they have seen gameplay loops and seen core mechanics working. Just that some choose to ignore it for some strange reason.
I can hop on the current playable build of Star Citizen alpha, spawn in my bunk in a space station, walk to the lobby and spawn my ship (space legs), invite some friends (multicrew), go and do simple missions like kill some pirates and enable com'arrays (Dogfighting and EVA) or kill some criminals at the Kareah Station (FPS + Bounty Hunting) and Earn some credits, pass by CryastThen get back to the Space Station and buy some new clothe's and or FPS weapons (fps and char customization).
That's plenty of core mechanics working seamlessly interconnected. The 3.0 aims to add planetary scale to it and improve said mechanics while adding more depth with missions, npc's, survival features and so on.
I helped a bit and got a Dragonfly because the idea of gunning baddies with the rail gun while my mate drives is highly appealing. And also because I will need something to explore the planetside when the time comes.
Pretty sure we've discussed this before:
Now if you ask me when will Star Citizen get all it's planed features working nicely along with procedural birds I'd say that it would be around the same time ED's get's all it's planned features working along with it's big game hunting going on. In short, No one know's. not even CIG or Frontier much less us from the outside.
Better just enjoy the ride the best we can and be happy that the games continue their development and we get to play them.
Snarfbuckle, you might want to look up groups such as : SDC, Goons, and others like them, who are into games for the lulz, or as SDC call it, smiles per gallon.
There will always be those who look to cause mischief in games.
To be honest, if SC is ever released, and a half decent game, i'll be tempted to sign up with the most basic package and then spend my time stealing big ships from people who bought Idrises and the like, a la Grand Theft Auto.
That's the appeal of Star Citizen, so many possibilities lures all types of gamers. With their planetary tech coming online with 3.0 I would add a map ala Playerunkown Battlegrounds in the Star Marine module just for the sake of it.
I'm sure CIG welcomes everybody's money.
Yes people do get carried away by emotions I think and tend to hyperbole easily without much thought going.
Static said it best back concerning the neogaf SC thread and I think it also applies to this one and other's across the internet:
...As a side note this is an emblematic problem with thread. People are labeled as "Defenders" as if they are spouting some insane theory while we are just providing information that has been out in the open for quite some time. We have people who will talk about mismanagement, lack of funds, the buggy state of alpha, scope increase, what may or may not happen. But the vast majority of these are either speculation, misinformation, or guesses. The amount of time information has been repeated in this thread and links posted, and open knowledge given has been absurd, yet oddly enough some of the same talking points get brought up ad-nausem. This has been referred to as an echo chamber by some but at that could be simply because the same detractors or the same uniformed posters regurgitate talking points. No one is here to convince you to support the game. All people have tried to do is clear up misinformation. But it is obvious how this is going to play out because of so many that are less interested in discussing but pushing a particular view out as if it is fact...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=247044458&postcount=10661
Just trade "Defenders" for "Believers", "White-Knights", "Faithfull" and it's more or less the same behavior.
When we focus on the game and it's development with the intuit of analyzing based on world examples it's a much gratifying and constructive experience than the same old rehashing of the unfathomable failed doom predictions.
Foundry42 UK is the biggest Studio and it touches "everything". The fact that we saw 2 Idris's battling it out was thanks to a lot of work from the UK folks.
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Quality post, have some reputation.
Common industry practice. Every big studio is allways looking for fresh or experienced talented people.
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