Marmite is yeast god yummy butter toasty lovely dribbles.
I have some in Casinos 'Anglais' shelf and I might just get some.
Marmite is yeast god yummy butter toasty lovely dribbles.
There is worse :Its nothing like Marmitethe juice is fermented wheat (to soys rice) and is like a really strong dark soy mixed with a cheap stock cube.
Looks a bit like liquid BovrilThere is worse :
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I don't know this marmite thing.
It's basically strong meat juice.Looks a bit like liquid Bovril![]()
All of that are reasons for everyone to be miffed. so lets continueLet's look at it without emotional baggage... It makes great reading but is lacking in substance.
Alpha: Throughout the 6 weeks or so those 'testing' the massively neutered version of EDO were being told that what we had was an old branch of the software and unfinished 'New Planetary Tech' - of which the finished version would be in the release. Performance in alpha was poor and a massive amount of feedback over this was provided to Frontier.
The EDO expansion released (yes, despite the pettiness of this forum, it has been classed as release) with both performance and planetary tech in a worse state than the alpha (obvious as my hardware remains the same in the released version as the alpha - therefore poorer performance is down to the released code, nothing else)
The released expansion is completely unable to run acceptably on the published minimum spec PC - and unlikely to be acceptable on the recommended spec.
(Yes, there were many refunds demanded and the average 'foaming at the mouth' player still continues to behave as if they were mortally harmed by a piece of entertainment software with unexplained issues on release)
Frontier offered no explanation why the released expansion had worse performance than the alpha, nor why the 'final' release of planetary tech displayed effects previously unseen - obvious tiling of assets on some bodies.
Still more reasons to be miffed. I'm not seeing anything yet that would suggest a rational person wouldn't be miffed at paying for thisMessages were offered us by the CEO - but lacking in content or even a vague explanation why things were so poor.
There followed a few comments designed to placate but did anything but - until the promise was made to 'fix' the problems - although none was offered on planetary tech bar it being suggested that the isse was 'tough'!
The adjustments to the bgs in the past are irrelevant. The issues brought up were new and documented. The differences in cycles and issues pertaining to that were new to odyssey and not an aspect of regular balance adjustments. Many of the problems related to the bgs were issues that began in the alpha and either persisted into the release or were brand new in the release.The BGS has been 'adjusted' so many times in the past with unexpected results, or at least unpredictable results, that Odyssey may not be entirely to blame, but certainly assisted in the current state as efforts were made to salvage the decimation of Anarchy owned assets apparent immediately following release.
I'm not entirely certain that your claim of "an actual majority" of the players are miffed, from what I've read in the forum there is a very vocal group complaining whose numbers are not particularly large - yes steam has had massively negative reviews - I've even read a few hundred of them - but here, try counting the numbers actively complaining, including yourself, of course - as continual snipes against Frontier are your stock in trade apparently - they are not a majority.
Will Odyssey eventually perform well enough to run on a potato PC and last generation console? Probably, but at a cost to fidelity to make it overall a poor experience I'd be tempted to think.
On an emotional level I admit to hilarity with the behaviour of some people over a piece of entertainment software with serious issues, even purchased at £30 it is less than the cost of a meal for 2 in a mediocre restaraunt ( or 3 in a fast-food joint) and at least, in the fullness of time, should work as intended.
Frontier either had something dramatic go amiss with the 'trunk build' at the 11th hour, or were purposefully misleading players... I'm hoping it was the first.
This gif packs a lot of
You're not addressing strong enough flavours... It goes well with Scotch Bonnet...I'm still struggling to integrate Maggi wheat extract sauce into my cooking. Its like a really super potent soy sauce but.....it just sledgehammers anything I put it into, even in small amounts.
Looks like its back of the shelf for you....
The usual solution:This gif packs a lot of![]()
The question is, whats on the spoon? Bovril? Marmite? Maggi?
This was in a faux Tex Mex Quesadilla with a lot of spicy stuff in it- the conflict was the hot pepper sauce (which was fruity) got overpowered by the Maggi (which tasted curry powder like).You're not addressing strong enough flavours... It goes well with Scotch Bonnet...
The only thing this wall of text is good for is for making a brick ball game level so it can be taken apart, word by word, and discarded to the void.All of that are reasons for everyone to be miffed. so lets continue
Still more reasons to be miffed. I'm not seeing anything yet that would suggest a rational person wouldn't be miffed at paying for this
The adjustments to the bgs in the past are irrelevant. The issues brought up were new and documented. The differences in cycles and issues pertaining to that were new to odyssey and not an aspect of regular balance adjustments. Many of the problems related to the bgs were issues that began in the alpha and either persisted into the release or were brand new in the release.
The silent majority defense? there is no evidence of a silent majority. There is however, evidence of a miffed majority. Not just in steam charts, but in the reaction that fdev has taken to this vs all of the other releases where many of these same issues happen in each of them to a much smaller scale (like the feedback on bugs in the beta not being resolved before release and the release introducing regressions and new bugs etc) . The overall tone of the forum is less a angry shouting match of suggestions on what is coming next, and more of a tone of Doom.
That's new...there's always been people thinking the game is over if their idea doesn't get done..but it's pervasive across all types of players now. You may never get your metrics directly from Fdev that would be the only ones you would accept as absolute proof, since they'll never provide them.. but all available evidence points to this release being overwhelmingly received as poor and the players being a majority being miffed enough with it to be vocal about it.
There is no silent majority. You might as well conjure up flying spaghetti monsters if you want to go that route. A minority of players didn't make up the backlash and poor reception of odyssey.
I dont have a stock and trade with bashing fdev, i dont gain anything by stating that they make crap gameplay decisions that make people question whether they play their own game. Nor have i always been that way in regards to them. I dont have a youtube channel or twitch or discord or any such social media presence i'm trying to gain followers on or side hustle. They've earned the ire they're receiving, just as they've received praise in the past when they've done good things. And there is value in giving that ire... especially when providing kudos in the past and biting the tongue has brought us to this point.
Something different is needed, and perhaps the playerbase has provided that now. We'll see ...but it is pretty clear that more of the same that went on before is not desired...and the evidence of change at fdev is not yet there to think it safe to go back to that.
something amiss wouldn't take months to fix. All evidence points to the second part. From the timing of events, to the scope of the problems and the needed work to get to a finished state those problems exist in. And that does factor into the miffed-ness of players. It's not an accident, or a course of the business mistake. This appears to have been an intentional gamble that the players would absorb all of the problems quietly like has been done in the past and whatever goal fdev had at the time would be accomplished and they would deal with the rest after.
and they still might. maybe the game's momentum will have not died completely and they can re-release in a couple months and turn the ship around and make the money they had been expecting from odyssey. There's always going to be a bunch of core players who would stick with playing the game no matter what. But as a business, they likely can't just rely on those players to meet their numbers (luckily for the those players) ...and so there's a very real chance now that odyssey could be the last big dlc fdev does for elite..
you have a game kickstarted in a huge part by emotionally attached nostalgic geeks that's been around for 6+ years now and the players who have stuck around are obviously extremely emotionally attached and most new players who make it past the learning curve are not usually the kind of player who just says hey "yea i spent a couple months playing the game, i'm cool to just be done now". This kind of game attracts the players who take games way too seriously (as much as taking any game seriously is too serious). so it's not surprising that you have people every other day talking like the Doom of the game is as important as someone trying to murder them or something.
but in the context of this forum that's about the game, it's as real and as serious as anything is.
Personally though, all of the game emotions and concerns lives and dies here. I have long accepted the disappointment fdev delivers in not delivering. The right game exists only in the imagination ...and the people who you can either share that imagination with, or the pain with. And since nobody is ever on in the game (and fdev still hasn't made such interaction organic within the game), most of that happens on the forum these days. The forum is the heart of elite.. Or the discord channel.. Or the subreddit. Rather than something within the actual game.
Don't listen to Pranav there.The usual solution:
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Kudos.All of that are reasons for everyone to be miffed. so lets continue
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I meant, spoon is a metaphor, obviously.Don't listen to Pranav there.
Yes there is a spoon. Two ladies were looking at the camera and teasing.
There are no clothes.
Kudos.
I would never write so many words at once.
Unless I was writing about me, but as nobody would read it, we are back at "I wouldn't".
ED must be almost as much important to you as I am for myself.
I meant, spoon is a metaphor, obviously.
Unfortunately, due to forum policy, I can't elaborate.
Yeah - that's completely the wrong cuisine for it.This was in a faux Tex Mex Quesadilla with a lot of spicy stuff in it- the conflict was the hot pepper sauce (which was fruity) got overpowered by the Maggi (which tasted curry powder like).
In a vegetable stew I can see it being useful, but as a soy / colouring agent its way too potent.
There is no defence against succulent burgers and niiiiiiicceee gifs. Only a cold beer would make it complete but sadly beer is banned in Utopian territory, along with cheese.Dont listen to that cannibal. Utopia does not deal with lies and falsehoods. If Antal says there is no spoon, then we need to look inward to discover why we think there is one.